If created perfect as scriptures say, why would we need salvation?

[Greatest I am]

If created perfect as scriptures say, why would we need salvation?

Did the Christian God create us sick and order us to be well?

Greatest Anti-Religion speech? Christopher Hitchens - YouTube

Salvation can only be had by believers if they embrace barbaric human sacrifice and a God who will immorally have his own son murdered as a sacrifice to forgive sin when other more moral ways are preached in scriptures.

Matthew 7:17,18
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matthew 12:33
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Christians would have us think that God, the good tree, --- produced corrupt fruit. Scriptures say that that is not possible. If you believe scriptures that say God is perfect that is.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

If God creates perfect works and souls, how can man not be perfect?

If perfect, why would we need salvation?

Regards
DL

 

[IllegalContact]

religion got humanity through to learning social standards and not eating each other for dinner.

we are beyond that now (at least some of us are, anyway)

they're like little kid floaties when learning to swim......they look really stupid on an adult

 

[Greatest I am]

religion got humanity through to learning social standards and not eating each other for dinner.

we are beyond that now (at least some of us are, anyway)

they're like little kid floaties when learning to swim......they look really stupid on an adult

You see 20/20.

Regards
DL

 

[Mrs.PatsFanInVa]

they're like little kid floaties when learning to swim......they look really stupid on an adult

Not nearly as stupid as the guy without them who's drowning.

 

[Claremonster]

they're like little kid floaties when learning to swim......they look really stupid on an adult

I like wearing them when I'm passed out drunk in the water...kinda like a beer coozie.

 

[Greatest I am]

Not nearly as stupid as the guy without them who's drowning.

Not nearly as stupid as the guy who drowns because his is too stupid to inflate them because he is waiting for an imaginary God to do it for him.

Scapegoats do not swim well and he waits till he drowns in vain.

Regards
DL

 

[Mrs.PatsFanInVa]

Not nearly as stupid as the guy who drowns because his is too stupid to inflate them because he is waiting for an imaginary God to do it for him.

Scapegoats do not swim well and he waits till he drowns in vain.

Regards
DL

Scapegoats?

 

[Greatest I am]

Scapegoats?

Scapegoating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Substitutionary atonement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christians have taken the moral low ground of embracing human sacrifice and the notion that they should profit from God having his son needlessly murdered.

Regards
DL

 

[Mrs.PatsFanInVa]

Scapegoating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Substitutionary atonement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christians have taken the moral low ground of embracing human sacrifice and the notion that they should profit from God having his son needlessly murdered.

Regards
DL

I know the meaning of scapegoat, thank you....but I still fail to see how Chiristians are the scapegoats of religion....or Jesus is...or whoever or whatever it is you are trying to say here.

 

[Greatest I am]

I know the meaning of scapegoat, thank you....but I still fail to see how Chiristians are the scapegoats of religion....or Jesus is...or whoever or whatever it is you are trying to say here.

Jesus died for us is the worn out refrain that we hear from Christians.

They believe that Jesus vicariously dies for them as their human sacrifice to God who set Jesus' sacrifice as the price for God to forgive them.

Jesus is the sacrificial lamb. The scapegoat. The human sacrifice and punishing of the innocent instead of the guilty that Christians want to try to immorally profit from.

Regards
DL