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Idle thoughts - The WOW edition.

I didn’t have high expectations for this game, much like the feeling I had before the Atlanta game. All I wanted to see in this game was that they keep it close and see some improvement over what we saw in Cincinnati on the offense (not that that would he hard to do ) . I thought it would be an entertaining game so I decided to watch at a local watering hole which also has great Pizza. As I watched the game my expectations rose…..exponentially.

By the end of the game I fully expected a win, DESPITE the injury to Talib. Despite the injury to Mayo. Despite the injury to Amendola. DESPITE, the virtual hail Mary pass to Stills that somehow eluded the perfectly positioned Alphonso Dennard (who played just as good a game as Talib) Despite the fact that the refs allowed the Saints OL to hold with impunity. Despite the inexplicable 3 runs inside the 7 after the Arrington pick, and Despite the bad pass pick by Brady on the next to last Drive, and despite the 4th down drop by Dobson.

Ok Ok, I admit to asking for the check after the Brady pick and was getting ready to leave when roar from Edelman’s catch brought me back to the bar. WHAT A FINISH!….and I almost missed it. It reminded me of the time I shut the TV off after Brady "seemed" to fumble in the Snowbowl game vs Oakland...after which we all were forced to become experts on the "tuck rule"

Here are some thoughts

1. BB will get all the credit, but Matt Patricia put together a fantastic game plan. And the players executed it almost to perfection....or as much "perfection" as you can get vs a offense as good as the Saint's

2. That being said I have to admit to some frustration with the Pats refusal to mount any significant blitzes or stunts to create some pressure, especially after watching how successful it was when carried out by the Saints. They seemed to always have someone running in free on their blitzes even when they didn’t ultimately get to the QB

I'm not saying that we should do it as often as the Saints did, but HEY, would 4-5 times a game be a stretch? The only time we got pressure was on individual effort. Sometimes you have to “create” pressure through a scheme, if not to get to the QB but to hurry him or at least make him feel uncomfortable. The Pats never seem to do that, and I don’t understand it.

3. I can’t say enough about the play of Chris Jones and Joe Valano. Now I don’t have any illusions about these 2 kids. Neither is likely to have a long NFL career. In fact my lasting impression of Valano was a WTF moment when I saw him lined up next to the 6’5 Tommy Kelly at the start of the Bengal game and he looked like a child next to a grown up. The 6’2 300lb they ascribe to him is generous to a fault.

But while the DT play wasn’t exactly great, it didn’t suck either. They provided some middle push on the pass rush, and didn’t embarrass themselves against the run. So for 2 undrafted rookies, they played beyond expectations, and what more can you ask.

3. Its horrifying to think that we have now lost our 3 best defensive players (Wilfolk, Talib, and Mayo) along with Tommy Kelly. How long before we see Mayo and Talib again is yet to be seen, but our defensive depth is going to be severely tested. Its Dane Fletcher time.

4. Aqib Talib is getting all the attention, and deservedly so, but Alphonzo Dennard is very quietly having a very good season.

5. I would like to start seeing Hightower make more of an impression. Did he even play?

6. There is nothing special about Hooman, but FINALLY Brady decided to throw to him and look at the results, 4 catches almost 60 yds. Nothing that would jump out at you, but a solid day. He should have had numbers like this all year. Its been there, but for some reason Tom refused to take it.

7. It seems like we’ve had a couple of receivers open deep in every game (a distinct difference from recent years) and Tom has missed most of them. The one to Amendola was the obvious one, but he also slightly under threw on to Thompkins which allowed the DB to make a play. A foot longer and it would have been a TD. So while the receivers all have to keep on improving in their route running and hands, Brady also has to improve on his long ball. We can’t afford to miss opportunities like the Amendola throw all season.

8. You all know that I’m generally against what I call the ****ification of the game. However I have long been a proponent of taking the “spear” out of the game. In other words using the top of your helmet as a battering ram, especial on shots to the head. And that’s exactly what happened to Amendola. So I found it very frustrating to see the Pats GET a call when Thomkins was inadvertently hit in in the head by a guy doing his best not to hit him there, and NOT get a call on a call on the Amendola hit, when the defender used the top of his head to directly hit Amendola in the head. Clearly I don’t understand the rule…..OR the intent, nor do I think the official do.

9. I clearly didn’t understand the 3 runs inside the 10 after the pick. Very curious and I usually don’t 2nd guess play calls. I hope sometime this week we get an explanation

10. The Ghost’s kick would have been good from 65, so can we end the negative talk about him? Good kickers are going to miss slightly less than 2 FG kicks out of ten. And Goskowski is better than most, but he’s not immune to the occasional miss Get used to it and stop acting all shocked and outraged when it happens.

11. All in all this was a fantastic win. Our flawed, developing and battered team is now 5-1 and the best is certainly yet to come for the offense While the defense has shown enough to get us excited for the playoffs…assuming we get there with enough people to play it.

On to Jets week.
 
Great post, as usual, this is worth about a million words...

 
I never shut the game off early. Just 2 recent games I can remember were today, and back in week 2 of last year when the Patriots came back vs. the Cardinals, only to miss the last second FG.
 
Nice write-up, Ken.

I take the point about the pressure based defense - but I don't think you can have your cake and eat it on this one.

The Patriots are all about discipline, the D-line don't stunt because they honor their gaps - sure, the Saints made some pretty splash plays (sacks, hurries etc) but they also gave up a lot of yardage - especially in the first half - to a unit that has struggled most of the year.

It appears that we now have the right mix in the back 7 - with the additions of Talib and Dennard and DMC at safety - that we can consistently cover - gone are the days with multiple receivers running free through the defensive backfield.

I am hoping that Jamie Collins can step up - he would be a real boon in pass defense substituting for Spikes when required.

Spikes and Mayo have been excellent since Wilfork went down - they really do have their hands full playing behind two no-name UDFA DT's.

No two ways about it, Brady is below par this season so far - i'm a huge fan of the guy, but I have mentioned numerous times over the last season + that his deep ball is pretty woeful.

Massive overthrows are definitely an issue and have been for quite awhile - I also think he could be doing a better job spotting blitzes and assigning his blocking better - quite a few guys running free at him this season.

Having said that, the experience this young team is gaining, the adversity they are fighting through will undoubtedly help them later in the year.

Fingers crossed for the timely return to health of Messers Talib, Mayo, Gronk, Amendola and Vereen.
 
Dennard. Gost. Jones/Vellano.
 
Not sure if blitzes and stunts would of worked in this one Ken. Bree's would of connected the dots and found a long Td eventually. They had at times 6 or 7 Dbs out there to cover everything they could.

Even if they would of lost I was proud of the way the defense played, especially with all the injuries.

Sunday was a euphoric day. Combine the Patriots with the Red Sox and I think New England is waking up in a good mood this Monday morning. I am very emotionally drained though. I need to go take an adrenaline shot or something cuz I'm spent.
 
As bad as the hit was on Amendola, it was totally legal. He was not defenseless, he was a ball carrier so anything goes (reference Ridley getting knocked out in playoffs)
 
5. I would like to start seeing Hightower make more of an impression. Did he even play?

Hightower didn't play many snaps at all. They were using a sub defense, but instead of sitting Spikes as they did the last time, they sat Hightower. And I think that had everything to do with Spikes and the lack of Tommy Kelly in the middle. Patriots have to adjust to the injuries, and now when you're using extra DBs, you also have to compensate for the lack of beef in the middle of the line.

Not enough has been said about Gost's 54 yard field goal. Huge kick.

One reason Dennard missed that ball though he was in perfect position is that the WR put two hands on his shoulder just as he tried to jump. He got no lift as he jumped. I accept the no call there though that WR had more of an impact on the play than Dobson's OPI earlier.
 
As bad as the hit was on Amendola, it was totally legal. He was not defenseless, he was a ball carrier so anything goes (reference Ridley getting knocked out in playoffs)

I'm pretty sure that changed this year, just don't remember the exact wording of the rule.
 
You mentioned Dennard, and I agree, he's been fantastic. But I disagree with upstater, I watched that Stills TD catch a dozen times, and it was simply a fact of Dennard jumping too early, he miss timed his jump, and while coming down he couldn't tip the ball. His one bad play I noticed. DBs do that all the time, the game tying bomb in the Denver/Baltimore playoff game being a perfect example.
 
I'm pretty sure that changed this year, just don't remember the exact wording of the rule.

i just dont remember any commentators mentioning it was illegal or some officiating twitter feeds saying it was illegal. just dumb luck that he got taken out like that.

well here's the rule change from wikipedia:
Any player at least three yards downfield or outside of the "tackle box" will be penalized 15 yards for leading with the helmet on hits. If both offensive and defensive players lead with helmets, both will be penalized.

I'll have to watch the replay to see exactly what happened, but this will be difficult for refs to decide
 
Not sure if blitzes and stunts would of worked in this one Ken. Bree's would of connected the dots and found a long Td eventually. They had at times 6 or 7 Dbs out there to cover everything they could.

Even if they would of lost I was proud of the way the defense played, especially with all the injuries.

Sunday was a euphoric day. Combine the Patriots with the Red Sox and I think New England is waking up in a good mood this Monday morning. I am very emotionally drained though. I need to go take an adrenaline shot or something cuz I'm spent.


Alas, they didn't blitz and Brees did eventually throw that long TD you feared, right when it mattered most. I'm with Patfanken - a few sharply timed blitzes would benefit this D. I know they're all about keeping things in front of them and making the opposition earned the whole length of field.

But - and this is a big but - judiciously chosen blitzes like those run by the Saints were the keys to slowing down and stopping Brady. Just about the only times the Pats were derailed on offense occurred when the Saints got a sack on TB12 and most of them were on the blitz. One 2nd and 18 can ruin an entire drive. And don't overlook that the Saints stopped blitzing Tommy Boy at the end and he carved them up minus the pressure.
 
One reason Dennard missed that ball though he was in perfect position is that the WR put two hands on his shoulder just as he tried to jump. He got no lift as he jumped. I accept the no call there though that WR had more of an impact on the play than Dobson's OPI earlier.

BS, we all know that the Pats got every single call and break yesterday and only won because the fix was in with Vegas! At least that's what Saints fans are saying.

In other news, I'm really enjoying work today. Schadenfreude overload.
 
BS, we all know that the Pats got every single call and break yesterday and only won because the fix was in with Vegas! At least that's what Saints fans are saying.

In other news, I'm really enjoying work today. Schadenfreude overload.

Have you read this forum after every loss? We have our own tinfoil hat brigade too.
 
Thanks for the WOW edition!
Was anyone surprised that the last kick-off was not dribbled down the field? Was Ghost trying for the seats or purposely hitting it high as the gunners were caught the returner at about the five.
Will never shut off the TV for any game that could end in a miracle finish.
 
Have you read this forum after every loss? We have our own tinfoil hat brigade too.

True enough but I've had to listen to people talk about that 2009 game for 4 years now so I'm really enjoying watching them get kicked in the nuts and whining about it.
 
Hightower didn't play many snaps at all. They were using a sub defense, but instead of sitting Spikes as they did the last time, they sat Hightower. And I think that had everything to do with Spikes and the lack of Tommy Kelly in the middle. Patriots have to adjust to the injuries, and now when you're using extra DBs, you also have to compensate for the lack of beef in the middle of the line.

Not enough has been said about Gost's 54 yard field goal. Huge kick.

One reason Dennard missed that ball though he was in perfect position is that the WR put two hands on his shoulder just as he tried to jump. He got no lift as he jumped. I accept the no call there though that WR had more of an impact on the play than Dobson's OPI earlier.

watching from a box I saw Arrington and Hightower coming in an out for each other. My guess is it had more to do with the Saints personnel than it did with anything else.
 
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