JackBauer
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Please post when in the last DECADE Belichick has cut a 2nd year 2nd or 3rd rounder.
I'll take that bet. All three of Wheatley, Crable and OC struggled last night (Wheatley less so than the other two - he had good coverage most of the time just needs to be a split second quicker in recognition which hopefully comes with more reps/experience). However they are all young second year players...give them some time.
Please post when in the last DECADE Belichick has cut a 2nd year 2nd or 3rd rounder.
He hasn't. The closest would be Garrett Mills and Dexter Reid - who are 4th rounders. He also cut Brock Williams, Chad Jackson, and Gus Scott during their 3rd TC. Then there's the case of Kareem Brown - a 4th round pick who didn't even last 1 year.
So while you're right that there's no precedent for it, the same argument has been made about BB not drafting Guards, RBs, DLs, and LBs in the 1st round. There's a first time for everything. And I'm putting the chances of it happening this year at 50%.
So who did you have in mind to cut after their aweful performances? Wheatley? Kaczur? O'Callaghan who wasn't making the squad?
The last spots are being clarified not muddled.
MCGOWAN over TANK WILLIAMS
LEWIS and GALLOWAY ove NUNN
I actually didn't mean to leave Galloway off. That was a mistake and IMO he'd probably get the spot I gave Nunn. I did debate it but I think he still has time to get on the same page with Brady, etc.
I don't see anything wrong with going into the season with 4 CBs and 5 safeties.
I'm not an OL expert so if you say Britt is more likely than Yates so be it. I'm not that solid there.
I also think that with 4 RBs guaranteed to make the roster, 3 with an injury history, and the extreme likelihood of BJGE not making it past the Chiefs on waivers, BB will probably want to go into the season with 5 again. Just a feeling.
And yes, suggesting Wheatley will be cut is a stretch, but that's the fun of making your own final 53. That's the roster I'd like to see based on the limited access I have to the team. Other people with better intelligence get to make the real decisions based on stuff we'll never know about.
Indeed. I'd say there's about a 0% chance Wheatley gets cut.
I'll take that bet. All three of Wheatley, Crable and OC struggled last night (Wheatley less so than the other two - he had good coverage most of the time just needs to be a split second quicker in recognition which hopefully comes with more reps/experience). However they are all young second year players...give them some time.
So who did you have in mind to cut after their aweful performances? Wheatley? Kaczur? O'Callaghan who wasn't making the squad?
The last spots are being clarified not muddled.
MCGOWAN over TANK WILLIAMS
LEWIS and GALLOWAY ove NUNN
OFFENSE (24)
QB Brady, O'Connell
RB Maroney, Taylor, Faulk, Morris
WR Moss, Welker, Galloway, Edelman, Aiken, Lewis
TE Baker, Watson, Thomas
OL Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Orhnberger, Vollmer, Hochstein, O'Callghan/Britt
DEFENSE (23)
DL Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Green, Brace, Wright, Pryor
DE/OLB Burgress, Banta-Cain
OLB Thomas, Woods, Crable
ILB Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi
CB Bodden, Wilhite, Springs, Butler, Wheatley
S Meriweather, Sanders, Chung
SPECIALISTS (3)
K Gostkowski
P Hanson
LS Ingram/Hodel
FINAL THREE (3)
To be determined (my personal choices as of now are McGowan, Walter and Lenon)
PUP
WR Tate
OT LeVoir
IR
LB McKenzie
BB is going to trade Maroney so we can keep a JAG RB in BJGE?
Oy.
<facepalm>
I'm not saying BJGE is going to become the next Jim Brown but at this point he's a far more effective RB than Maroney ever has been.
Forget what you know about draft status. Use your eyeballs. If you knew nothing about either player and simply based your judgment on what you actually see, who looks more impressive?
...and as far as JAG's are concerned, that same label can be applied to Sammy Morris and he's easily been our best RB the last two seasons and is definitely ahead of Maroney on the depth chart.
I'm not saying BJGE is going to become the next Jim Brown but at this point he's a far more effective RB than Maroney ever has been.
Tough to tell. As the play breakdown proves, the run blocking simply isn't there. And BJGE runs against scrubs, so it doesn't mean all that much. Scrub RB's usually look good in those situations.
Huh? Did you watch the 2007 season? Do you have access to the Patriots' depth chart that the rest of us don't?
You are way off-base. We all can agree that LoMo has had his fits and starts but his production at the NFL level both reg & post-season blows BJGE out of the water.
Now, if you want to compare BJGE to Patrick Cobbs, I would agree.
We saw BJGE play last season. He had a couple of starts. He runs forward and is decisive. I've been part of the "let's make excuses and blame the Oline" Maroney defense team in the past but at some point you just got to cut your losses. Maroney is what he is. A gifted athlete with excellent open field running skills. But he lacks the most important assets an NFL RB needs to be successful. Vision and instincts. The guy couldn't find a hole in a Las Vegas brothel.
Do you remember Morris' three (or was it 4) consecutive games of over 100 yards before he got injured? When SM plays, the running game is effective. When LM plays, everyone questions the Oline. And yes, I remember Maroney's late season surge but even when he's doing well, he's not as good as Morris. Having said all that, Morris is getting up there in age, as is Taylor, so it is important to keep a younger body on the roster. If we could keep BJGE and Maroney...Great! Especially b/c I think Maroney offers a lot as a ko returner. But if I've got to pick between the two, I don't think its unreasonable to consider BJGE as the better prospect. He certainly doesn't have Maroney's talent, but his running style is much more consistent and reliable and that's what we need out of our RB's.
Yes, of course you are correct regarding the production of the two players. That's not what I meant to imply. I was referring to their styles. BJGE consistently hits the holes hard and gets whatever is there. He's much more reliable and consistent at picking up those 3-5 yards. Maroney gets stuffed for no gain or even short losses far too often. When I watch him run, I think our Oline must be terrible. Then the other guys come in and suddenly the running game not only looks competent, it looks dangerous.