Hobbs is our #1 CB

[drpatriot]

Everyone knows that Champ Bailey has never allowed a completion in his life, never mind a bomb for a TD.

I sincerely hope this is sarcasm. Unconventional stats show that Champ Bailey was not only targeted often for the deep ball, but it was often completed against him. I don't remember where I saw this, but I know I read it somewhere...

Back on topic, Hobbs will be the best CB on the team by year's end. I don't think that determing an exact depth chart at this time is realistic - especially with the considerable depth we have at the position. For now, it's just guesses.

 

[Richter]

Yes, regress, thanks for catching the typo.
Is Hobbs big, strong or physical enough? I'm not sure where you saw him blowing away the learning curve. He sat until everyone was hurt and he was forced to play, and as a 3rd round pick, he stepped in and played OK. I didnt see anything more out of him than I would expect from a 3rd round pick. I saw less as a rookie than I saw from Wilson, Samuel or Gay (except he was foreced into playing more).
I like Hobbs, dont get me wrong. But to sit here and say that the guy who was sitting behind Duane Starks when Starks was playing hurt, who finally got on the field, and did a decent job is all of a sudden a top corner is quite a stretch.

Hobbs had good body strength from what I saw, and while not big, he was definitely phsyical. He blew away the learning curve as a cover man for a rookie. Teams were looking away from him at times. He sat because he was a rookie, you don't want to put them out there unless you have to. They did, and he excelled to my eyes. Was he great? No. But he was better than 95% of rookie cornerbacks that get forced into playing big minutes. If he keeps up that sort of development, he'll be a top notch CB by the end of the year.

 

[D-cleater]

I sincerely hope this is sarcasm. Unconventional stats show that Champ Bailey was not only targeted often for the deep ball, but it was often completed against him. I don't remember where I saw this, but I know I read it somewhere...

Back on topic, Hobbs will be the best CB on the team by year's end. I don't think that determing an exact depth chart at this time is realistic - especially with the considerable depth we have at the position. For now, it's just guesses.

Oh, it's sarcasm, I'm sure. Bucky is trying to argue my point by assuming that I base my opinion on the one example I chose to recall.

Compare his lame response with Pats1 's response, who actually gives his response some thought, providing a more in depth analysis of the play to illustrate something I did not pick up watching the game live. Engage who you wish, but that right there is the difference between a worthwhile discussion and ridiculous, annoying chatter that plagues so many discussions.

For the recored, I like Asante and think he is a good, solid, but not great corner. The stick he laid on Stokely in the the 2004 playoffs ranks among my favorite hits of all time. His rookie INT against the Jets is another. But I don't think he is a shut down corner, and Hobbs has the potential to be one.

When the receiver is in the air - Asante lays a mean hit. Otherwise, I actually like Hobbs better in open field tackling and run support ... today. In pure coverage, we shall see.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Ellis Hobbs is the 2006 Patriots' number one cornerback. There, I said it.

If we acquire Law, we will play Law and Hobbs, with Samuel in the nickel role. Warfield and Gay might actually be in a dead heat with Samuel --- not sure why I singled out Samuel in my scenario. A nice situation for us this year!

Completely agree with this post. I do want to keep an eye on Gay though, as he was a fine starter before he got hurt.

 

[Remix 6]

i actually dont think Gay was as good as Hobbs .. well nevermind because Gay had to verse #1 WRs like TO in SB Anyways watching Hobbs..hes definatley not afraid to come up and hit..he knows when to go up for a jump ball but a few mistakes..hes got to concentrate more...against KC, he was strapping his chin pad and Green saw it..called it and went on a deep bomb to Dante Hall. He also needs to jump passes a little better..started off very bad in pre season vs Saints..then got better as he settled in. If we had a true veteran leader in backfield..Hobbs would be a lot better..same with rest of our guys till they learn to become 1 while Hobbs is already doing some solid work fixing peoples mistakes in mini camp

 

[Bostonian1962]

:nono:

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I hope other people get the hillarity of your post. I busted up laughing!!!

 

[shakadave]

Hobbs had good body strength from what I saw, and while not big, he was definitely phsyical. He blew away the learning curve as a cover man for a rookie. Teams were looking away from him at times. He sat because he was a rookie, you don't want to put them out there unless you have to. They did, and he excelled to my eyes. Was he great? No. But he was better than 95% of rookie cornerbacks that get forced into playing big minutes. If he keeps up that sort of development, he'll be a top notch CB by the end of the year.

I'm with you, Richter. I'm not saying Hobbs was the best LAST YEAR. Obviously he wasn't ready to start in September, and went through a lot of growing pains when he did play. But he went through them fast. And he surprised with more talent than a lot of us knew he possessed.

He still has not finished the learning process. But he is far enough along, and should keep improving, so that when the 2006 season is in the can, we'll look back and realize he was our best corner.

Kdo5, my working definition of "#1 corner" is which one would stay on the field if a better corner (e.g. Law) was added to the team. I wasn't as impressed as you were with Samuel's play, even in the second half of the season.

 

[Johnny Z]

Man, I am just amazed by the things I read on here.

Every player in the secondary has some bad moments on tape. Few have as many good moments as Samuel.

 

[Johnny Z]

I doubt he will get eaten alive, and if he does, it will have nothing to do with his size.

Playing CB is about skills and quickness, and height and weight are not skills. Quickness goes down with each inch.

How many totally pathetic big CBs does the NFL have to parade out there to make complete fools of themselves before people get a clue? Where is the 6'4" dominator the Broncos had? He was absolutely terrible.

You got one now - Eric Warfield. He can make plays, and he can give them away at the same rate. Hobbs over that pile any day.

 

[Alk]

Man, I am just amazed by the things I read on here.

Every player in the secondary has some bad moments on tape. Few have as many good moments as Samuel.

I agree, I don't see any way that Hobbs would start over Samuel if it came down to one or the other on the starting roster. Most likely they will both be starting with one of the others at Nickel but I just don't understand the Hobbs fascination.