Has Adam Schefter gone off the deep end?

[JoeSixPat]

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Yup - him and Johnny Damon too

 

[Ian]

I dont see all the hype with Feeley. He is a one game wonder.

An interesting point to consider is that I think if you give a guy like Feeley players like Moss, Welker, Galloway, etc. - who knows if he could up his game and at least keep them in contention. I don't recall him ever having a group of guys like that collectively to throw to. But I think after last night they may not be that desperate for him at this point anyway.

Like another poster mentioned, it wont matter whos the back up if Brady gets injured. Brady is the offense.

That may be, but as we found out last year in the event Brady gets hurt players still want to win - so they want to have someone who can at least execute and move the ball up and down the field. Nobody thought much of Cassel last year and he won 11 games. Can't just throw in the towel if your starter goes down - the season still has to be played.

 

[JoeSixPat]

And it looks like Edelman is the E-QB

zackly what I was thinking.

As long as you're comfortable with the fact that Edelman couldn't play until the 4th Quarter.

I don't think they get to put Edelman on the 46th roster spot and still play him during the game... I'm pretty sure the Emergency QB rules say that if Edelman, as Emergency QB, plays before the 4th Quarter neither Brady nor Hoyer can come back in the game.

I think I'd prefer to keep my options open with Edelman to bring him in throughout the game, making Hoyer the Emergency QB.... I mean why keep Edelman on the roster at all if you only want to be able to use him in the 4th Quarter?

If it were me I'd make Hoyer the Emergency QB and just cross the bridge of dealing with the consequences of that in the midst of a Tom Brady injury mid game when I came to it... he could still come in for Edelman if he were in over his head, though Edleman couldn't come back into the game and they'd have to finish the game without a backup QB.

 

[stcjones]

You know what's kind of funny? Matt Sanchez started 16 games in the Pac 10, and nobody questions that he should be the Jets' starter. Brian Hoyer started 26 games in the Big 10, and it's ridiculous that such a raw rookie should be #2 for the Pats.

Obviously, I'm not comparing the players as prospects; there's a reason one was a top-5 pick and the other was undrafted. But "experience" wasn't the reason.

It's still perfectly likely that the Patriots will sign a vet, but I don't think a rookie backup is quite so outlandish an idea as some of us make it out to be. If Hoyer and not O'Connell had been the 3rd rounder, wouldn't it almost seem obvious?

very good post patchick....i was impressed with Hoyer last night......

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

As long as you're comfortable with the fact that Edelman couldn't play until the 4th Quarter.

That works for me. We're deep at WR. This would give us an emergency QB and allow Edelman to practice all year as a WR which is huge compared to the frequent cry to stash young guys on IR when they can't practice and develop. Instead a 3rd QB we could keep Nunn and still develop Edelman all year.

 

[spacecrime]

I myself think that the Pats stand Pat and pass on Feeley and go with just Brady and Hoyer and hope for the best - Feeley probably wouldn't be released until Vick gets back in 2 weeks anyways.

If Brady gets hurt you may finally see NE in DEEP trouble unless Hoyer can play opponents 2nd and 3rd stringers.

This is a good idea. I thought earlier that they would have Brayd, KOC and Edelman.

Brady, Hoyer and Edelman are fine with me.

 

[jbb9s]

Can anyone confirm if Edelmen has been training/meeting with the QBs or is he just with the wideouts?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I don't think they get to put Edelman on the 46th roster spot and still play him during the game... I'm pretty sure the Emergency QB rules say that if Edelman, as Emergency QB, plays before the 4th Quarter neither Brady nor Hoyer can come back in the game.

True, but once the fourth quarter starts, you can put him in anywhere, as often as you like, without losing the other QBs.

Also, that only applies if he's the 46th player. If he's on the 45, that rule doesn't apply.

 

[spacecrime]

You know what's kind of funny? Matt Sanchez started 16 games in the Pac 10, and nobody questions that he should be the Jets' starter. Brian Hoyer started 26 games in the Big 10, and it's ridiculous that such a raw rookie should be #2 for the Pats.

Silly moderatrix. BB has this stupid philosphy that once TC opens, where you were drafted doesn't determine how good a QB is. It is based on things like reading the defense correctly, reading the same keys and the WRs and OL, getting the chekcdowns right, etc etc etc.

We at Patsfans know better. Here is how you determine how good a QB is:

Late round pick/UDFA = No good, can''t play, can't learn.
First round pick = Guaranteed NFL starter quality from day one.

Silly moderatrix.

 

[JD10367]

Much like Troy Brown, they wouldn't list Edelman as a QB because he'd be seeing duty as a return man and a wide receiver. Thus, he would have no impact on the QB scenario; they would simply know that Edelman does know how to throw the ball and if forced into the position he'd do better than the other guys on the roster. (Think Nick Green pitching relief for the Sox the other night.)

If the Pats only carry two "real" QBs, chances are they will be adding SOME quarterback onto the practice squad. Don't know who, doesn't matter who, just some JAG who they can have on the PS as that "emergency QB" in case Brady and Hoyer both go down in a game and they don't feel like moving Edelman over. I think it's pretty much an unwritten rule that every team has a QB in that PS pool for that very reason.

 

[JR4]

I myself think that the Pats stand Pat and pass on Feeley and go with just Brady and Hoyer and hope for the best - Feeley probably wouldn't be released until Vick gets back in 2 weeks anyways.

If Brady gets hurt you may finally see NE in DEEP trouble unless Hoyer can play opponents 2nd and 3rd stringers.

" ....unless Hoyer can play opponents 2nd and 3rd stringers."

a stinger at Hoyer???

Remember: When Hoyer was playing Giants D staters ... PATs 2nd string
blocking was in there.

Clue: Brady wouldn't have looked any better with guys in his face 1 second
after the snap.

Hoyer really did remarkably well considering the Giants pass rush.
With PATs starters my bet is Hoyer will very well. probably as good as
if not better than Matt Cassel.

My guess is BB will be looking for a PS QB that he can develop.

 

[JoeSixPat]

True, but once the fourth quarter starts, you can put him in anywhere, as often as you like, without losing the other QBs.

Also, that only applies if he's the 46th player. If he's on the 45, that rule doesn't apply.

Yes - obviously.

My point is that making Edelman the Emergency QB is like making Michael Vick the Emergency QB.... why would you limit yourself to only having him on the field for the 4th Quarter?

It's more likely you'd want to use him throughout the game with Brady healthy and keep Hoyer as the Emergency QB to be used prior to the 4th quarter only if Brady is unable to play.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Much like Troy Brown, they wouldn't list Edelman as a QB because he'd be seeing duty as a return man and a wide receiver.

Well sure - he can be on the 45 man roster and they can call him QB or any other position.

I think the issue with the Emergency QB position is that it would free up another roster spot for someone else...

With Hoyer dressing as the Emergency QB (46th player), he'd be ready to play if Brady were unable to go for more than a few plays and Edelman would be on the Active 45 man roster.

This would allow them to put another key rotation player on the game day 45 man roster without truly affecting the backup QBs.

In other words you HOPE you NEVER need Hoyer except for mop up in a blowout in the 4th Quarter.

There's LOTS of situations where you'd want to use Edelman throughout the game. The last thing you want to do with him is have him as the Emergency QB.

 

[JD10367]

Yes - obviously.

My point is that making Edelman the Emergency QB is like making Michael Vick the Emergency QB.... why would you limit yourself to only having him on the field for the 4th Quarter?

It's more likely you'd want to use him throughout the game with Brady healthy and keep Hoyer as the Emergency QB to be used prior to the 4th quarter only if Brady is unable to play.

I'm pretty sure that's not possible. I think the rule is pretty specific: you need to carry two quarterbacks active, before the third quarterback is able to be designated as the emergency QB. I'm pretty sure no one has ever carried only two QBs and then designated one as the emergency QB. That would be kinda nuts, 'cause your starter couldn't even sit out a snap (which he'd have to if, say, you called a timeout 'cause he was down on one knee catching his breath).

I think we're overcomplicating it. QB #1, Brady. QB #2, Hoyer. Some scrub signed to the PS. And Edelman around, a la Troy Brown, to play quarterback if needed (but, like Brown, listed as a WR and playing both WR and returner).

 

[JoeSixPat]

I'm pretty sure that's not possible. I think the rule is pretty specific: you need to carry two quarterbacks active, before the third quarterback is able to be designated as the emergency QB. I'm pretty sure no one has ever carried only two QBs and then designated one as the emergency QB. That would be kinda nuts, 'cause your starter couldn't even sit out a snap (which he'd have to if, say, you called a timeout 'cause he was down on one knee catching his breath).

I think we're overcomplicating it. QB #1, Brady. QB #2, Hoyer. Some scrub signed to the PS. And Edelman around, a la Troy Brown, to play quarterback if needed (but, like Brown, listed as a WR and playing both WR and returner).

I'm not sure where you're going with this. Everyone knows the Emergency QB can't come in until the 4th Quarter (or rather they can but the #1 and #2 QB couldn't come back into the game.)

It would be CRAZY to have Edelman as the Emergency QB. They aren't going to put him on the 53 man roster to limit his playing time to the 4th Quarter.

With the exception of a 4th Quarter blowout, none of us everwant to see Hoyer in a game. But we DO want to see Edelman in a game, playing alongside Brady

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Well sure - he can be on the 45 man roster and they can call him QB or any other position.

I think the issue with the Emergency QB position is that it would free up another roster spot for someone else...

With Hoyer dressing as the Emergency QB (46th player), he'd be ready to play if Brady were unable to go for more than a few plays and Edelman would be on the Active 45 man roster.

This would allow them to put another key rotation player on the game day 45 man roster without truly affecting the backup QBs.

In other words you HOPE you NEVER need Hoyer except for mop up in a blowout in the 4th Quarter.

There's LOTS of situations where you'd want to use Edelman throughout the game. The last thing you want to do with him is have him as the Emergency QB.

As a minor point, in order to do that, the Patriots would have to re-designate Edelman as a QB.

 

[AzPatsFan]

You know what's kind of funny? Matt Sanchez started 16 games in the Pac 10, and nobody questions that he should be the Jets' starter. Brian Hoyer started 26 games in the Big 10, and it's ridiculous that such a raw rookie should be #2 for the Pats.

Obviously, I'm not comparing the players as prospects; there's a reason one was a top-5 pick and the other was undrafted. But "experience" wasn't the reason.

It's still perfectly likely that the Patriots will sign a vet, but I don't think a rookie backup is quite so outlandish an idea as some of us make it out to be. If Hoyer and not O'Connell had been the 3rd rounder, wouldn't it almost seem obvious?

A Voice of Reality has spoken. Of course !!!

The Proverb says: "Keep Your Head head when everyone about you are losing theirs..." BB has found another unexpected gemstone, and is wise enough to know to make it better he must be prepared to cleave it, and polish it, if necessary.

No different than what Wrecks Ryan, Jim Swartz, or numerous other Coaches are forced to do, currently.

 

[JoeSixPat]

As a minor point, in order to do that, the Patriots would have to re-designate Edelman as a QB.

Actually, the designation of the Emergency QB isn't really a minor point as far as the rules - it's an essential and major point that would allow them to carry a 46 man game day roster rather than a 45 man roster.

There's a lot of upside to the Emergency QB rule - it allows you to keep another LB active - or another OL, or DB or RB active... and still have 3 QBs ready to go.

As noted they can of course have both Edelman and Hoyer on the 45 man active roster and forgo the Emergency QB completely, and play with one less LB, DB, RB etc... It's just that the one thing you wouldn't do is have Edelman be the Emergency QB - it would be Hoyer, even if Hoyer is #2 on the depth chart.

 

[unoriginal]

I am sure the league has policies in place to keep a team from randomly designating the 45th player their "2nd QB" in order to take advantage of the emergency QB rule.

They are probably identical or similar to the rules governing jersey number assignments. Currently that doesn't help us hypothesize as Edelman's number is currently in a block shared by kicking specialists, QBs, and the supplemental offensive end annex.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I am sure the league has policies in place to keep a team from randomly designating the 45th player their "2nd QB" in order to take advantage of the emergency QB rule.

They are probably identical or similar to the rules governing jersey number assignments. Currently that doesn't help us hypothesize as Edelman's number is currently in a block shared by kicking specialists, QBs, and the supplemental offensive end annex.

Do you think this was an accident?

In any case, Edelman is currently a WR, so the Pats can't use the "third quarterback" rule until/unless they either sign another QB or re-designate Edelman as a QB.