Guess What: Belichick built a Championship team in 2011

[Bruins29]

I missed the trophy presentation!

If you give Welker the catch, you have to give the Ravens the catch in the AFCCG. So I guess Caughlin, Harbaugh, and Belichick all built championship teams. Probably a few others. Crowded podium.

Or maybe just Caughlin did.

It did suck that the Giants DB knocked the ball out off WW hands in the SB. Oh wait....

See there is a big difference between a player not making a somewhat makable game sealing play and a player from another team making a great play to prevent a game sealing play.

It sounds like you missed more than the "trophy presentation."

You do understand the difference right? Or this just more veiled whining that WW is gone.

 

[BSR]

I missed the trophy presentation!

If you give Welker the catch, you have to give the Ravens the catch in the AFCCG. So I guess Caughlin, Harbaugh, and Belichick all built championship teams. Probably a few others. Crowded podium.

Or maybe just Caughlin did.

You think Baltimore fans don't blame Evans for not catching that ball? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but pointing to Evans sure isn't making a case for absolving Welker.

That being said, I put as much blame on Welker as I do on Brady, Hernandez, Branch, Chung or anyone else that was in a position to make one play that could have changed the outcome in that game but didn't. It wasn't so much that they lost it but they didn't make the plays to win it either.

Damn, I am so sick of the space that game/catch is renting in my head.

 

[MassPats38]

Who hates WW? I sure dont. I dont see a lot of posters who hate him or dont think he wasnt great here.

Are you just as upset about the FO getting all this hate after "all they have done?"

Work on your reading comprehension skills. Read the OP, and tell me that is about love for Welker. Translation, if you missed the point of the OP - the Pats had a championship team and Wes Welker caused it to fail. And, for your education, read any of the Welker contract discussions if you believe there is nothing but love for him here. I am not about to do your research for you.

And, specific to your front office statement, read my post again and tell me where I criticize the decision in that post (I said don't blame Welker for leaving, not that the Pats were wrong to let him go). I didn't. I stated this decision is business, and I hope it works out for the Pats. Find a post anywhere where I "hate on" the front office and link to it. The thread is not about the front office, and my position is wait and see if it works out (they are not all gold, if you believe that to be the case). Love ths decision? I don't know, yet. Maybe yes, or maybe no. We'll see what happens. As stated elsewhere, this team fields competitive teams consistently, and that is why I love the management. We know little at this point in terms of management's plan, so we can intelligently review individual decisions when it all pans out in the season.

 

[Bruins29]

Work on your reading comprehension skills. Read the OP, and tell me that is about love for Welker. Translation, if you missed the point of the OP - the Pats had a championship team and Wes Welker caused it to fail. And, for your education, read any of the Welker contract discussions if you believe there is nothing but love for him here. I am not about to do your research for you.

And, specific to your front office statement, read my post again and tell me where I criticize the decision in that post (I said don't blame Welker for leaving, not that the Pats were wrong to let him go). I didn't. I stated this decision is business, and I hope it works out for the Pats. Find a post anywhere where I "hate on" the front office and link to it. The thread is not about the front office, and my position is wait and see if it works out (they are not all gold, if you believe that to be the case). Love ths decision? I don't know, yet. Maybe yes, or maybe no. We'll see what happens. As stated elsewhere, this team fields competitive teams consistently, and that is why I love the management. We know little at this point in terms of management's plan, so we can intelligently review individual decisions when it all pans out in the season.

I think it is you that need to focus and learn to read. FO is being lambasted for not winning. The OP (in his silly way) seems to be rushing to the defense of the FO by indicating that the FO did its job and a player diddnt. WW dropped a making SB winning play. It happens. Does the OP really hate WW? Or was he more trying to make a point by using a concrete example of a failure. We can only speculate that the FO is trying to win the SB...We have the assume they are.

We can see with our eyes that the best slot receiver off all time diddnt make the clutch play.

As your for you. I dont believe I indicated you hate the FO. I asked if you think the FO should be getting the brunt of the blame for whatever has transpired over the last 8 years. It appears you feel the same way I do and many logical people here. Lets see how it all shakes out...giving the franchise the benefit of the doubt GIVEN the past track record of more or less fielding a winner.

Pointing out the WW drop needs to be taken in context. I think we took it in different ways perhaps?

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

It did suck that the Giants DB knocked the ball out off WW hands in the SB. Oh wait....

See there is a big difference between a player not making a somewhat makable game sealing play and a player from another team making a great play to prevent a game sealing play.

It sounds like you missed more than the "trophy presentation."

You do understand the difference right? Or this just more veiled whining that WW is gone.

The only thing I "missed" was the point of this thread. Bill Belichick is a great coach. Crediting him for building a championship team in a year that he didn't win the championship is silly. The only coach that "built a championship team in 2011" is Tom Coughlin.

If you want to give "building a championship team" status to every team that was one play away from not losing late in the season, your list is going to be 4 or 5 teams every year.

If you want to argue that trading Welker was the right move, great. If you want to argue that Belichick is smarter than the rest of us, great. If you want to argue Belichick has a pretty good track record of timing player departures -- even beloved ones -- great. All of these are fine arguments. To say he "built a championship team" in a year he did not actually build a "championship team" to try to make that point by proxy is, putting it gently, silly.

To put it another way, the day they give out trophies to the coaches who "built a championship team" but didn't actually, you know, win a championship, is the day I'll start expending energy to figure out who did or didn't build a championship team.