Ex-assistants proving there’s only one Belichick

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Ex-assistants proving there's only one Belichick - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

 

[eagle eye]

As head coaches yeah but the Kansas City Chiefs say hi with coaches in the positions they were in under Belichick.

 

[jaychamp]

As head coaches yeah but the Kansas City Chiefs say hi with coaches in the positions they were in under Belichick.

Ugh, 6 games they've played. The Broncos were 6-0 after 6 games last year. Mangini had a pretty good year his first year, albeit with some decent talent already in place. They can say "hi" when they've done it consistently without BB

 

[SuperPatsFan]

Belichick himself was 20-28 in his first three seasons as a head coach, with the Browns.

The lesson is that even the greatest coach in NFL history can struggle if he doesn't have the personnel he needs, or if he's trapped in a dysfunctional organization. It takes time to build a winning team.

McDaniels opted to get rid of Cutler, bring in Kyle Orton(notes) and now has Tebow waiting in the wings, although doubts remain about Tebow’s ability. Mangini went through Chad Pennington(notes), Kellen Clemens(notes) and Brett Favre(notes) with the Jets and is on his fifth quarterback in two years with the Browns. Saban failed to find a franchise quarterback with Daunte Culpepper(notes) and then fled to Alabama. Crennel went through Derek Anderson(notes) and Brady Quinn(notes), both of which were inherited by Mangini, in Cleveland.

Be thankful for having a franchise quarterback like Brady, because it can take years to find a consistently good starting qb. Good coaches can struggle for their entire (often truncated) tenure with a team trying to find a number one quarterback.

Just more reasons to appreciate how special our success has been.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Interesting, just because they didn't make great head coaches doesn't make them any less as assistants. Just because Mangini is a **** and failed as a head coach doesnt mean he didnt draft a hell of a team for the Jets. Some great things can be said for alot of the coaches under BB. It did take two head coaching stints for Belichick to be considered a Hall Of Fame type coach.

There are only 32 NFL head coaches coaching right now in the NFL for a reason. It's very hard to be successful at.

 

[SuperPatsFan]

Incidentally, with a victory Sunday, Belichick will reach his 154th career regular season win, tying the illustrious Joe Gibbs.

 

[ALP]

Interesting, just because they didn't make great head coaches doesn't make them any less as assistants. Just because Mangini is a **** and failed as a head coach doesnt mean he didnt draft a hell of a team for the Jets. Some great things can be said for alot of the coaches under BB. It did take two head coaching stints for Belichick to be considered a Hall Of Fame type coach.

There are only 32 NFL head coaches coaching right now in the NFL for a reason. It's very hard to be successful at.

ummm, yea....i think the main reason for that though is because theres 32 NFL teams in the NFL right now

 

[eagle eye]

Ugh, 6 games they've played. The Broncos were 6-0 after 6 games last year. Mangini had a pretty good year his first year, albeit with some decent talent already in place. They can say "hi" when they've done it consistently without BB

I am well aware that its only 6 games but you can already see the difference that a new coach has made on D for them. This was a group full of first rounders and all the analysts were saying they had big problems in the front seven but that front seven has been amazing this year with only the addition of Shaun Smith who has basically been a jag his whole career except when under Crennel.

 

[Bledsoe11]

I think Belichick's influence in the league lies more in the front office. Ozzie Newsome, Scott Pioli, and Thomas Dimitroff have all turned out to be arguably the best evaluators of talent in the league. I think that says more about his team-building philosophy than his former assistances struggling.

 

[zimmy]

McDaniels, like Belichick in Cleveland, is making all his mistakes in Denver. He'll learn from them and will be a great head coach some day. I for one would be happy to see him come back here in a year or two and eventually replace Belichick when he finally decides to hang em up.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

McDaniels, like Belichick in Cleveland, is making all his mistakes in Denver. He'll learn from them and will be a great head coach some day. I for one would be happy to see him come back here in a year or two and eventually replace Belichick when he finally decides to hang em up.

*cough* Master Plan *cough*?

 

[sieglo]

I like articles like this because it makes it less likely that the Pats will be raided for coaching talent by other teams in the future.

 

[SuperPatsFan]

I think Belichick's influence in the league lies more in the front office. Ozzie Newsome, Scott Pioli, and Thomas Dimitroff have all turned out to be arguably the best evaluators of talent in the league. I think that says more about his team-building philosophy than his former assistances struggling.

What an insightful post.

I think it's reasonable to analyze Belichick's "GM-ing tree" at least as much as his coaching tree.

 

[sbpatfan]

McDaniels, like Belichick in Cleveland, is making all his mistakes in Denver. He'll learn from them and will be a great head coach some day. I for one would be happy to see him come back here in a year or two and eventually replace Belichick when he finally decides to hang em up.

Hell no, McDumb**** is horrible. He ran a decent organization into the ground. Belichick did bad in a bad organization.

 

[RayClay]

As head coaches yeah but the Kansas City Chiefs say hi with coaches in the positions they were in under Belichick.

Until proven otherwise, one might assume Belichick to be less successful at developing young coaches than he has been at coaching and personnel.

Please, prepare your rotten tomatoes when I say everyone, even Belichick has their strong and weak points. Weis and Crennel developed as coaches elsewhere.

As much of a jerk as Parcells was, he delegated well, managing strong personalities and getting the most out of conflict. Belichick hasn't proven to delegate well, and it could be said, he hires "yes men," IMO.

He has now eliminated the positions of coordinator on both sides and the team is very well coached where he is expert, on defense.

He loves coaching and working, so that's not a problem now, except on the offensive side where he has not been an NFL offensive coordinator, and neither has O'Brien. Offensive planning and play calling has suffered since Weis IMO.

 

[RayClay]

What an insightful post.

I think it's reasonable to analyze Belichick's "GM-ing tree" at least as much as his coaching tree.

Good point. Could be he sees them as coworkers rather than employees, much lie Weis and Crennel, both of whom he worked with before they worked for him.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Belichick himself was 20-28 in his first three seasons as a head coach, with the Browns.

The lesson is that even the greatest coach in NFL history can struggle if he doesn't have the personnel he needs, or if he's trapped in a dysfunctional organization. It takes time to build a winning team.


Be thankful for having a franchise quarterback like Brady, because it can take years to find a consistently good starting qb. Good coaches can struggle for their entire (often truncated) tenure with a team trying to find a number one quarterback.

Just more reasons to appreciate how special our success has been.

Excellent summation.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Until proven otherwise, one might assume Belichick to be less successful at developing young coaches than he has been at coaching and personnel.

Please, prepare your rotten tomatoes when I say everyone, even Belichick has their strong and weak points. Weis and Crennel developed as coaches elsewhere.

As much of a jerk as Parcells was, he delegated well, managing strong personalities and getting the most out of conflict. Belichick hasn't proven to delegate well, and it could be said, he hires "yes men," IMO.

He has now eliminated the positions of coordinator on both sides and the team is very well coached where he is expert, on defense.

He loves coaching and working, so that's not a problem now, except on the offensive side where he has not been an NFL offensive coordinator, and neither has O'Brien. Offensive planning and play calling has suffered since Weis IMO.

Oddly though they developed in the same offensive and defensive system as Bill (and defensively one Bill refined into his own) and at times (and in RAC's case most of the time) under BB's tutelage. Charlie started as a personnel assistant and then a ST assistant under BB. Parcell's had little use for either, stripping Charlie of his play calling responsibilities and never promoting RAC beyond position coach.

 

[jbb9s]

for those of you that have read "education of a coach" I think Halberstam does a really good job at describing the long cycles involved in coaching. Of course, we all know Belichick was fired in Cleveland and after a first fairly unspectacular season in New England, started his second year here 0-2!

A good example is John Wooden who coached for close to 20 years (including 2 yrs at Indiana State before UCLA) before he won 10 in 12 or whatever it was. Sometimes it takes time, especially for someone like Josh who is still young.

 

[WhiteWesWelker88]

Joshy McDaniel's needs to come home home. I wish you bad luck as a head coach..... plz get fired