Doug Gabriel

[kptmorgan04]

You are free to have your opinion. Personally, I think it far from clear that the 2007 group of Gabriel, Jackson and Caldwell will be as good as the 2005 group of Branch, Givens and Brown. I would mention that the 2005 patriot passing game was #1 in the league. I will note that I do not disagree with any of bb's wider receiver moves, and I certainly expect a couple of more before we solidify the 2007 squad. Gabriel was a steal if we gave up a 3rd.

and that is why we all have our own indivdual opinons.... I do not think anything is really "clear" in football though, which is why we can have these kind of discussions.
But I believe gabriel has an edge over givens already and will continue to have next year (he is on the field and contributing).
Living up to potential is something we will have to see from Jackson, but if he does do so he should be more productive than Branch.
That is why I have them as 1a and 1b much like Branch and Givens were last year
And Troy Brown, who I love as much as anyone else does had 39 grabs for 466 yards which I think Caldwell should very well accomplish next year, if not this year as well.
The 2005 #1 passing offense we all know was very slanted because we werent able to run the ball and not something that BB or Tom Brady would want to have to do again.

 

[Brownfan80]

So far, from what I've seen, Gabriel:

1) Catches the ball with his hands very well and does not 'bread basket' the ball.

2) Runs pretty good routes. He changes directions well for a big guy.

3) For his size he's very quick and has good speed.

4) Does not block as big as his frame suggests he should.

 

[Brownfan80]

And, I know this sounds like a broken record, but the only thing that will stop them is bad play calling.

Bad execution on offense? The opposing defense? R-E-A-L-I-T-Y.

 

[pats-blue]

Bad execution on offense? The opposing defense? R-E-A-L-I-T-Y.

Yeah they are just terrible....of course being the 4th rated offense in the NFL doesn't mean anything anymore....

 

[Brownfan80]

Yeah they are just terrible....of course being the 4th rated offense in the NFL doesn't mean anything anymore....

I was not implying anything about our performance thus far, I was implying that more could stop our offense than bad playcalling.

Please look at the context of a comment, not just the comment itself.

 

[pats-blue]

I was not implying anything about our performance thus far, I was implying that more could stop our offense than bad playcalling.

Please look at the context of a comment, not just the comment itself.

I know, I WAS AGREEING with you. My post was in reference to NEM's broken record how the Patriots offensive playcalling...no matter who calls the plays sucks even when they are winning Super Bowls and going 34-4 over a two year span. I bet many teams and fans wish thier team was soooo handicaped...

 

[kptmorgan04]

Someday, when you grow up, you will learn al lot more about professional football than just what you see on the surface.

The play calling this season had sucked, up until the 2nd half of the last game. And, it was commonly mentioned by a lot of people, not just me.

Although, I saw it early.

The offensive playcalling was very restrictive, and the wrong routes were called, and the progression of plays was wrong...and that all changed EXACTLY as I had suggested....inside routes, I formation, no huddle offense, etc. I suggested ALL of those before they were used and we finally saw the result....Solid offense.

You dont like me, thats one thing. But admit it, I know a hell of a lot more than you know now, or ever will......And twice as much as BrownFan80, who knows almost nothing at all. But, he does have a big mouth.

hahaha, one thing that you can always do is make me laugh brother nem. I may not always agree, but I always do laugh

ps maybe you should send your resume in with posts included to Mr. Kraft and BB

 

[kptmorgan04]

something like that lol.
we are all coaches in our own mind I will agree to!

 

[pats-blue]

Someday, when you grow up, you will learn al lot more about professional football than just what you see on the surface.

The play calling this season had sucked, up until the 2nd half of the last game. And, it was commonly mentioned by a lot of people, not just me.

Although, I saw it early.

The offensive playcalling was very restrictive, and the wrong routes were called, and the progression of plays was wrong...and that all changed EXACTLY as I had suggested....inside routes, I formation, no huddle offense, etc. I suggested ALL of those before they were used and we finally saw the result....Solid offense.

You dont like me, thats one thing. But admit it, I know a hell of a lot more than you know now, or ever will......And twice as much as BrownFan80, who knows almost nothing at all. But, he does have a big mouth.

It has nothing to do with like or dislike. It has to do with you claiming to know more than those hired and paid hundreds of thousands or millions to coach and have ALL OF THE INFORMATION...not just what the networks decide to show.

I have played football since I was 10 and played competative football even as recently as 5 years ago when I was 35. I have not seen where you have even remotely demonstrated that you know more than me about football and the "progression" of plays which you routinely ignore in fact when you call your 20/20 hind sight plays.

Do I grouse about a call or two during the game? Yes, but I don't live in your fantasy world that I could be a better coach than the Pats have because of what I watch on a TV. You have continually complained about the coaching that has brought us 3 SB's and one of the best records over the last five years....I really don't care about you NEM, your digeneration of our coaching staff though is OLD. I can't wait until after this game and you start another 5 threads about playcalling and coaching weather we win or lose. When YOU grow up maybe you can enjoy life a little instead of wanting to hate everything and tell everyone how YOU can do better and that you are better than everyone else....

 

[kptmorgan04]

now now boys.... this was a thread about Doug Gabriel wasnt it?????

things like this do keep me entertained on my ship though!!!!! LMAO

 

[pats-blue]

now now boys.... this was a thread about Doug Gabriel wasnt it?????

things like this do keep me entertained on my ship though!!!!! LMAO

I love sailing with the captain....I prefer the silver.

 

[pats-blue]

You just dont want to acknowledge that fact, do you? Oh well, such is life. Have a nice day. Join us in team prayer, you are cordially invited. No one will strike you with a bolt of lightning if you dont, though.
It is one of those "harmonious" things that many of us enjoy. Try it, you might like it.

See you tomorrow, right?

"struck by a bolt of lighting"??? "Try it you might like it"? "See you tomorrow"? Not sure what you are getting at NEM...

 

[Brownfan80]

I know, I WAS AGREEING with you. My post was in reference to NEM's broken record how the Patriots offensive playcalling...no matter who calls the plays sucks even when they are winning Super Bowls and going 34-4 over a two year span. I bet many teams and fans wish thier team was soooo handicaped...

Sorry about the mis-reading. I was a little 'under the weather' earlier.

Also, sarcasm is hard to hear on the internet. lol

 

[Brownfan80]

Someday, when you grow up, you will learn al lot more about professional football than just what you see on the surface.

The play calling this season had sucked, up until the 2nd half of the last game. And, it was commonly mentioned by a lot of people, not just me.

Although, I saw it early.

The offensive playcalling was very restrictive, and the wrong routes were called, and the progression of plays was wrong...and that all changed EXACTLY as I had suggested....inside routes, I formation, no huddle offense, etc. I suggested ALL of those before they were used and we finally saw the result....Solid offense.

You dont like me, thats one thing. But admit it, I know a hell of a lot more than you know now, or ever will......And twice as much as BrownFan80, who knows almost nothing at all. But, he does have a big mouth.

I am glad to see that rather than discuss my actual points regarding your post you simply attack my knowledge or supposed lack there-of.

That swollen head of yours is filled not with knowledge, sir, but rather is bloated with hot, hot air.

 

[SamBam39]

I agree with Keegs.

that wonderlic is concerning.

could that be behind the trade?


I hope not.

but how do you dismiss it?

 

[hwc]

I would mention that the 2005 patriot passing game was #1 in the league.

Which was not a good thing. The Pats lead the league in passing because they had zero running game and forced Brady to carry the load. That's no way to play football.

IMO, the lack of run production and throwing the ball way too much was the number one reason (among many) that the Pats missed the big dance.

 

[SamBam39]

Which was not a good thing. The Pats lead the league in passing because they had zero running game and forced Brady to carry the load. That's no way to play football.

IMO, the lack of run production and throwing the ball way too much was the number one reason (among many) that the Pats missed the big dance.

good points, I agree.

 

[alamo]

A friend of mine out in the Oakland area told me that the trade was a steal for the Pats. We know that Randy Moss wasn't happy when they lost Gabriel. The guy comes to us with a lot of praise. Makes you wonder what the heck the Raiders were thinking in allowing this obviously-rising receiver to go for such a small price.

I think it's a great deal for us, but it's not as mystifying to me why the Raiders traded him.

This is his 4th year, "obviously rising" is nonsense. He was a 5th round pick (last pick in the round in fact). He started only 7 games in three years. Givens was a late round pick who came in and produced much much better numbers and made himself coveted by other teams, but in general second day picks who don't start aren't in demand. From that point of view Oakland was probably THRILLED to get their 5th back for him. Especially since with Moss and Porter he was no better than a 3rd receiver, maybe a 4th.

This is a classic case where he was of little value to them but could be big for us.

 

[ghostPatsfan]

I agree with Keegs.

that wonderlic is concerning.

could that be behind the trade?

I thought I'd read that the reason behind the Raiders trading Gabriel for a song was because the F.O. wanted to move him out of the picture in a bid to force new coach Art Shell to play Jerry Porter more. Word was that Shell dislikes him but the F.O. loves him. With Gabriel there Shell had the option of burying Porter on the depth chart.

Of course, you can't believe everything you read.

 

[RayClay]

I think the Raiders are high on Curry, plus they've got Moss and Porter.