Do any of these five deserve to get into the Pats Hall of Fame?

[jmt57]

There are 11 members of the New England Patriots in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Six of them are also in the team's own Hall of Fame:
- John Hannah (1991 Pro HoF, 1991 Pats HoF)
- Nick Buoniconti (1992 Pro, 1992 Pats)
- Mike Haynes (1997 Pro, 1994 Pats)
- Andre Tippett (2008 Pro, 1999 Pats)
- Ty Law (2019 Pro, 2014 Pats)
- Richard Seymour (2022 Pro, 2020 Pats)

Five others are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but not in the Patriots Hall of Fame.
- Curtis Martin, 2012 Pro HoF (Pats 1995-1998; NFL 1995-2005)
- Randy Moss, 2018 Pro HoF (Pats 2007-2010; NFL 1998-2012)
- Bill Parcells, 2013 Pro HoF (Pats 1980, 1993-1996; NFL 1980-2010)
- Darrelle Revis, 2023 Pro HoF (Pats 2014; NFL 2017-2017)
- Junior Seau, 2015 Pro HoF (Pats 2006-2009; NFL 1990-2009)

Do any of those last five merit inclusion to the New England Patriots Hall of Fame?

Parcells has been nominated five times, and creates quite a bit of division in regards to his debate. Personally I say no, though some fans - and many in the media who do the nominating - are very much in the pro-Tuna camp.

None of the others have ever been nominated.

In my opinion three seasons should be the bare minimum for consideration; that would eliminate Revis.

Seau was here for four years, but he joined the team late in both of his last two seasons; that may eliminate him as well.

That leaves Randy Moss and Curtis Martin.

Moss was with the Patriots for the most games (56 including playoffs), unless you include Parcells' 1980 season as a linebackers coach under Ron Erhardt. Moss is one of only four players to catch 50 touchdown passes as a Patriot, and ranks 12th in career receiving yards (3,904). The only receivers who averaged more than his 15.1 yards per catch played before the turn of the century, when the passing game was much different than it is now.

Martin ranks third all-time in rushing yardage and sixth in rushing touchdowns. He also ranks 2nd, 9th and 11th for most rushing yards in a single season, as well as 3rd and 4th for most rushing touchdowns in a single season.


Are there any from this group that should be in the Patriots Hall of Fame, in your opinion?

 

[sb1]

None, all for different reasons.

 

[Tunescribe]

Despite the sour ending I've come around to Tuna being deserving. He was instrumental in setting the franchise on a winning course and drafted a lot of legacy players. Moss and Martin are borderline, IMO. Wes Welker probably should get in before any of them.

 

[maust]

If not for the Jete stank I'd say Martin should make the grade. But that Jete stank is an overwhelming disqualifier.
Moss makes the grade and I believe will eventually be there. There's just too many more deserving guys ahead of him right now
The disgusting circumstances of his departure should keep Parcells out of the stadium, never mind the Pats HoF. He is devoid of honor
Revis has 3x the Jete stank on him that Martin has. Add in his tenure here was purely mercenary and he shouldn't even be considered
Seau played with a heart we all appreciated but IMO the results just weren't Hall worthy

 

[signbabybrady]

I went with none and I'm generally pretty easy with this sort of thing.

Right now I just think there is a long list of guys with more titles, years of service, and overall impact on the franchise. And that's not to belittle the impact these guys did have.

When we get through putting Tom, Gronk, DMac, Chung, Hightower, Slater, Jules and probably another 10-20 I'm not listing then I think we can consider guys like this again who maybe don't have the years of service or rings that will be going in during the next few years.

 

[signbabybrady]

Also I think Maybe Kraft should reconsider the process. And just let a large group in all at once there is no reason to make a bunch of these guys wait so long when they clearly belong. That said if you were to clear the log jam you should then maybe take some years off.

 

[203Pat]

I know Parcells is a controversial one but I think he should. Between him and Bledsoe they brought relevancy to a team that 5 minutes prior was ready to become the St Louis Stallions. Parcells came into a laughing stock of a franchise and within 2 years had us in the playoffs and later the Super Bowl (granted he had one foot out the door before the opening coin toss).

 

[Steve102]

There are 11 members of the New England Patriots in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Six of them are also in the team's own Hall of Fame:
- John Hannah (1991 Pro HoF, 1991 Pats HoF)
- Nick Buoniconti (1992 Pro, 1992 Pats)
- Mike Haynes (1997 Pro, 1994 Pats)
- Andre Tippett (2008 Pro, 1999 Pats)
- Ty Law (2019 Pro, 2014 Pats)
- Richard Seymour (2022 Pro, 2020 Pats)

Five others are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but not in the Patriots Hall of Fame.
- Curtis Martin, 2012 Pro HoF (Pats 1995-1998; NFL 1995-2005)
- Randy Moss, 2018 Pro HoF (Pats 2007-2010; NFL 1998-2012)
- Bill Parcells, 2013 Pro HoF (Pats 1980, 1993-1996; NFL 1980-2010)
- Darrelle Revis, 2023 Pro HoF (Pats 2014; NFL 2017-2017)
- Junior Seau, 2015 Pro HoF (Pats 2006-2009; NFL 1990-2009)

Do any of those last five merit inclusion to the New England Patriots Hall of Fame?

Parcells has been nominated five times, and creates quite a bit of division in regards to his debate. Personally I say no, though some fans - and many in the media who do the nominating - are very much in the pro-Tuna camp.

None of the others have ever been nominated.

In my opinion three seasons should be the bare minimum for consideration; that would eliminate Revis.

Seau was here for four years, but he joined the team late in both of his last two seasons; that may eliminate him as well.

That leaves Randy Moss and Curtis Martin.

Moss was with the Patriots for the most games (56 including playoffs), unless you include Parcells' 1980 season as a linebackers coach under Ron Erhardt. Moss is one of only four players to catch 50 touchdown passes as a Patriot, and ranks 12th in career receiving yards (3,904). The only receivers who averaged more than his 15.1 yards per catch played before the turn of the century, when the passing game was much different than it is now.

Martin ranks third all-time in rushing yardage and sixth in rushing touchdowns. He also ranks 2nd, 9th and 11th for most rushing yards in a single season, as well as 3rd and 4th for most rushing touchdowns in a single season.


Are there any from this group that should be in the Patriots Hall of Fame, in your opinion?

Not really, when you consider the logjam that's about to happen.

Tom is in. Not sure if that bumps anyone back, but the whole 1 per year thing is going to shut all the guys you listed out. Vinatieri gets in. Hightower, Slate, McCourty, Gronk all are locks. That fills in the next five years, plus Bill's clock is now ticking, he gets his own wing across from Brady's wing. Welker deserves to be in. Does Dave Andrews get in? Kevin Faulk and James White? Gilmore? I'd put all those guys in before Martin with Jete cooties, Revis the mercenary, Parcells the turncoat and Junior who just wasn't dominant enough to warrant getting in. I think you make a good case for Randy, but I don't want him ahead of the locks I listed. I have to be missing some other linemen as well. Mankins?

 

[jmt57]

Also I think Maybe Kraft should reconsider the process. And just let a large group in all at once there is no reason to make a bunch of these guys wait so long when they clearly belong. That said if you were to clear the log jam you should then maybe take some years off.

I like this idea a lot, and here's why: there have been too many unfortunate instances when a player finally made it into the Pats hall of Fame - but by the time it happened, the award was given posthumously.

If you're going to give the player that honor, let him enjoy it while he is still alive.

It is definitely going to take some time to clear the log jam, which means some worthy players are unfortunately going to be left out. Will the senior committee and their once every four years inductee be enough to take care of those guys? It's starting to look like anybody from 1960-2000 that is not already in will never get in.

 

[Steve102]

I like this idea a lot, and here's why: there have been too many unfortunate instances when a player finally made it into the Pats hall of Fame - but by the time it happened, the award was given posthumously.

If you're going to give the player that honor, let him enjoy it while he is still alive.

It is definitely going to take some time to clear the log jam, which means some worthy players are unfortunately going to be left out. Will the senior committee and their once every four years inductee be enough to take care of those guys? It's starting to look like anybody from 1960-2000 that is not already in will never get in.

@signbabybrady

The process should 100% be re-evaluated, based on 6 Lombardis and the amount of guys waiting in line. Don't make them buy a ticket to get in until then.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Not really, when you consider the logjam that's about to happen.

Tom is in. Not sure if that bumps anyone back, but the whole 1 per year thing is going to shut all the guys you listed out. Vinatieri gets in. Hightower, Slate, McCourty, Gronk all are locks. That fills in the next five years, plus Bill's clock is now ticking, he gets his own wing across from Brady's wing. Welker deserves to be in. Does Dave Andrews get in? Kevin Faulk and James White? Gilmore? I'd put all those guys in before Martin with Jete cooties, Revis the mercenary, Parcells the turncoat and Junior who just wasn't dominant enough to warrant getting in. I think you make a good case for Randy, but I don't want him ahead of the locks I listed. I have to be missing some other linemen as well. Mankins?

I voted 0 because this is a list of people who had a few good years with the Pats, but spent the bulk of their careers with other teams. In addition to the list of players from the dynasty years there are many others who deserve to get in from the dark ages. For example I did a quick check and did not see Craig James or Tim Fox in the Pats HOF.

 

[signbabybrady]

Not really, when you consider the logjam that's about to happen.

Tom is in. Not sure if that bumps anyone back, but the whole 1 per year thing is going to shut all the guys you listed out. Vinatieri gets in. Hightower, Slate, McCourty, Gronk all are locks. That fills in the next five years, plus Bill's clock is now ticking, he gets his own wing across from Brady's wing. Welker deserves to be in. Does Dave Andrews get in? Kevin Faulk and James White? Gilmore? I'd put all those guys in before Martin with Jete cooties, Revis the mercenary, Parcells the turncoat and Junior who just wasn't dominant enough to warrant getting in. I think you make a good case for Randy, but I don't want him ahead of the locks I listed. I have to be missing some other linemen as well. Mankins?

Andrews, White, Gilmore, yes, yes, and yes.

 

[Tunescribe]

Also I think Maybe Kraft should reconsider the process. And just let a large group in all at once there is no reason to make a bunch of these guys wait so long when they clearly belong. That said if you were to clear the log jam you should then maybe take some years off.

I like this idea a lot, and here's why: there have been too many unfortunate instances when a player finally made it into the Pats hall of Fame - but by the time it happened, the award was given posthumously.

If you're going to give the player that honor, let him enjoy it while he is still alive.

It is definitely going to take some time to clear the log jam, which means some worthy players are unfortunately going to be left out. Will the senior committee and their once every four years inductee be enough to take care of those guys? It's starting to look like anybody from 1960-2000 that is not already in will never get in.

The only problem with this idea is it would be unfair to those inductees who had to wait. Perhaps one solution would be to induct more than one at a time or do one newly eligible guy and an old-timer like the NFL does.

 

[signbabybrady]

The only problem with this idea is it would be unfair to those who've had to wait. Perhaps one solution would be to induct more than one at a time or do one newly eligible guy and an old-timer like the NFL does.

I don't think the insult comes from not waiting. The insult would be if they cleared the log jam and then put someone in who maybe shouldn't be. They would have to come up with some minimum criteria (%90 fan vote or something like that) and be willing not to let anyone in some years after they cleared the log jam.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I could make an argument for Randy Moss since he was part of the records. And I think Parcells should be in. The others... meh.

 

[borg]

 

[signbabybrady]

I wouldn't be against just making a rule that anyone with a yellow jacket and time served here should go in.

I get not wanting to put too many players in but I just don't take it so seriously. But I'm in a unique age I was 13 in 96 so literally my entire life is full of candidates.

 

[jmt57]

Selection Process and Committee | The Patriots Hall of Fame

www.patriotshalloffame.com

Periodically, a Senior Committee – made up of the 10 most senior members of the selection committee – gathers to consider any player that has been retired 25 or more years who also has been a previous finalist, but not been selected by the fan voting. Center Jon Morris was the first to be inducted after being selected by the Senior Committee in 2011.​

2011 - Jon Morris
2015 - Houston Antwine
2019 - Leon Gray
2023 - Dante Scarnecchia
2027 - ???

Top Ten Senior Committee possiblities (definite to remote) include
- Ernie Adams
- Russ Francis
- Chuck Fairbanks
- Larry Eisenhauer (3x All Star, 4x Pro Bowl)
- Tom Addison (1x All Star, 4x Pro Bowl)
- Larry Garron (4x Pro Bowl)
- Brian Holloway (3x Pro Bowl)
- Parcells
- Moss
- Martin

 

[Headcase]

I think the 1st requirement for the Patriots hall of fame should be longevity with the team, then impact on the team. No one in this list meets both requirements

 

[signbabybrady]

I think the 1st requirement for the Patriots hall of fame should be longevity with the team, then impact on the team. No one in this list meets both requirements

Both seem like reasonable requirements.

So what's the minimum length? And how are we measuring impact?