Curran: Amendola signed Tuesday, day before Welker left

[DropKickFlutie]

Here's another thing. The Pats' PLan A was Amendola, and they were willing to pay this guy more than Welker.
Amendola's value, people were saying this was a $2-4M type of receiver. They splurged at $6M/year, probably more than others would have paid for.

 

[Fixit]

Here's another thing. The Pats' PLan A was Amendola, and they were willing to pay this guy more than Welker.
Amendola's value, people were saying this was a $2-4M type of receiver. They splurged at $6M/year, probably more than others would have paid for.

And yet, he was Plan A, and they didn't want to lose him.

Welker's perceived value before free agency was in the $8-10M range. What'd he get again? How many offers?

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think BB didn't want Amendola's camp to disclose the signing because he wanted to ensure that he set the price so WW could get the most money possible in FA.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I think BB didn't want Amendola's camp to disclose the signing because he wanted to ensure that he set the price so WW could get the most money possible in FA.

Disagree.

It was a petty, personal, non-typical Patriots move and it hurt Welker.

If it was disclosed publicly that a scrub like Amendola got $31 for 5 years after barely playing the 2 most recent seasons, Welker's price would have gone much higher.

Keeping that first deal quiet kept the market low for Welker. The Pats really played hardball with Welker

 

[Fixit]

Disagree.

It was a petty, personal, non-typical Patriots move and it hurt Welker.

If it was disclosed publicly that a scrub like Amendola got $31 for 5 years after barely playing the 2 most recent seasons, Welker's price would have gone much higher.

Keeping that first deal quiet kept the market low for Welker. The Pats really played hardball with Welker

Amendola's a scrub now. This is all starting to make sense, in an LSD-trip kind of way.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

Re: Amendola Signed By Pats On Tuesday

My thinking is that they still wanted Welker but at a cheap price. With the perception that Amendola was still in the market, other teams may not have been as desperate to give money to Welker. It also would have made Welker more money than they were offering.

My thoughts too get'm cheap if not move on had Amendola In mix.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

Re: Amendola Signed By Pats On Tuesday

They wanted Amendola and Welker (on the cheap only). They were ready to roll with both if Welker on the cheap. One can make the argument that Welker on the cheap means no Welker but at this point it doesn't matter.



So was Welker seeking 8 to 9 mill from the pats not 6? That wasn't clarified.

In the end Pats made their choice time to move on I say.

Exactly Don BB made his move and had it already in motion and to me looks clear it was time to move on.

 

[voluntarysaftey]

Disagree.

It was a petty, personal, non-typical Patriots move and it hurt Welker.

If it was disclosed publicly that a scrub like Amendola got $31 for 5 years after barely playing the 2 most recent seasons, Welker's price would have gone much higher.

Keeping that first deal quiet kept the market low for Welker. The Pats really played hardball with Welker

I disagree -- What Amendola signed for wouldn't have affected Welker. But if it was known that the Pats had moved on, it would've meant even less competition for Welker's services -- If Denver knew that the Pats were out of the running, they could've just offered 2/10

 

[voluntarysaftey]

This story makes sense.

And if Welker really did want to stay, then its his fault for not determining that his market was 6m during the 3 day window.

If Welker wanted to take the most money from a contending team, then both sides got their desire

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I disagree -- What Amendola signed for wouldn't have affected Welker. But if it was known that the Pats had moved on, it would've meant even less competition for Welker's services -- If Denver knew that the Pats were out of the running, they could've just offered 2/10

Not likely. If the offer was on the table where the player has time T to accept and the team suddenly downgraded it inside of T there would be hell to pay with agents. Maybe even a CBA violation. (I have not read the CBA)

 

[chasa]

Disagree.

It was a petty, personal, non-typical Patriots move and it hurt Welker.

If it was disclosed publicly that a scrub like Amendola got $31 for 5 years after barely playing the 2 most recent seasons, Welker's price would have gone much higher.

Keeping that first deal quiet kept the market low for Welker. The Pats really played hardball with Welker

How does keeping the signing quiet hurt Welkers market>?

That makes SO LITTLE SENSE that it makes me think that you may have taken one to many shots to the head as a baby.

Welker was offered a deal, with incentives it had potential to be 8 mil a year, he chose to walk away. thats on welker and he will regret it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Disagree.

It was a petty, personal, non-typical Patriots move and it hurt Welker.

If it was disclosed publicly that a scrub like Amendola got $31 for 5 years after barely playing the 2 most recent seasons, Welker's price would have gone much higher.

Keeping that first deal quiet kept the market low for Welker. The Pats really played hardball with Welker

My bad. Trying to be sarcastic. However I do not think it was personal.

Once WW hit the open market he became just another FA and was treated accordingly. With that said, WW also treated the Pats just like another team.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

How does keeping the signing quiet hurt Welkers market>?

It's not hard.

Amendola barely played the past 2 years. The 2 years prior to that he didn't do anything special, averaged 8 yards a catch. People on here were speculating he was worth $2M to $4 million a year.

It is unquestioned that Welker is a better player and worth more, at least in public sentiment.

If the information was leaked first that Amendola was worth $6M a year to the Pats, it would have RAISED Welker's value in the open market. Instead, that information was hidden and only released on Amendola's market value AFTER Welker signed that extremely high-value deal.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

My bad. Trying to be sarcastic. However I do not think it was personal.

Once WW hit the open market he became just another FA and was treated accordingly. With that said, WW also treated the Pats just like another team.

Welker was a lot more team friendly than Mankins was. Welker didn't hold out. He didn't publicly ****** and call out ownership. He signed his franchise tender and played, at risk, on a 1 year deal. He didn't get rewarded by the Pats for that, they didn't give him credit for that. They also tried to mess with him for zero reason the first few games.

This situation did not have to happen. It's bizarre. Smells like Denver 2010.

 

[Urgent]

The Patriots had both Welker and Edelman in 2012. They seem to like having two of that type of slot/PR receivers.

This could have been a decision on two of Welker, Edelman, and Amendola, since Edelman is also a free agent.

 

[PatsFanStnfrd]

If Tom Curran proves to be right, signing Amendola first shows the Pats were already turning the page. Yes, they were willing to welcome Wes Welker back on their terms in addition to Amendola.

I want to comment on 2 aspects:
1) Denver had to know Amendola was gone Before making offer to Wes. Teams send out feelers all the time to their agents. A routine inquiry would have told Denver that Amendola had a pretty firm offer for $6 mil/yr and they could easily guess who it was from. Armed w/ this intelligence, Denver decided to go after Wes -- with a lowball but hard, firm offer 6mil/yr for 2 years. Little risk if he accepts (Wes has at least 2 good years left in him--value price for short years)

2) To Wes, Denver's offer was a floor-- a firm floor almost all guaranteed from playoff contender w/ great QB. He compares it w/ Pats offer 5 mi/yr+incentives to get it to $8 mil. He decides to call the Pats and give them a last shot at revising offer. I'm pretty sure he did NOT tell the Pats, here is Denver's $6 mil/yr 2 yr offer, beat it and I'm yours. After all, his agent spent the winter arguing he was worth $8 to 9 mil/yr to the Pats. NO. What Welker wanted to see was if the Pats raised their offer from $5 mil+ difficult incentives to a flat $8 mil/yr. That the Pats refused to do.

I'm pretty sure BB did not want to get in the weeds of contract renegotiation w/ Wes especially since he had already moved on.

Denver did get a great win -- their dream slot receiver at a bargain price. A price at which Wes would not have seen himself playing for the Pats -- because of "ego" or "face" or "respect". Happens all the time. His agent did a great disservice by misjudging the market. And media shills helped. Remember reporters bandying around 5 yrs--$40 million nonsensical package for a 32 yr old receiver.

The Pats set the agenda -- went after their man Amendola. Denver benefitted by smart intelligence and timing.

 

[chasa]

It's not hard.

Amendola barely played the past 2 years. The 2 years prior to that he didn't do anything special, averaged 8 yards a catch. People on here were speculating he was worth $2M to $4 million a year.

It is unquestioned that Welker is a better player and worth more, at least in public sentiment.

If the information was leaked first that Amendola was worth $6M a year to the Pats, it would have RAISED Welker's value in the open market. Instead, that information was hidden and only released on Amendola's market value AFTER Welker signed that extremely high-value deal.

If welker was a better player he would have gotten paid more. end of discussion.

Welker had 3 offers 2/10 with incentives to get upto 16 from the pats, 2/12 from the bronos, and 2/15 from the titans.

Welkers market was set at between 5-7.5 million a year where some teams had 20-40 million in cap space free.

Welker put his ego on a pedestal and the nfl showed him he was not worth as much as he thought. Welker chose to walk away, and the patriots would have accepted him even after signing someone else when welker balked. This is the nfl and its a ******* team game, that money will go to other postitions and the patriots will be at the cap again this year like every year.

If you want to root for a team that breaks the bank every time a player wont pay for what the market value is, go root for the jets and their cluster**** of an organization. This is the Patriots.

This is all after welker declined a 3 year deal averaging 8 a year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Welker was a lot more team friendly than Mankins was. Welker didn't hold out. He didn't publicly ****** and call out ownership. He signed his franchise tender and played, at risk, on a 1 year deal. He didn't get rewarded by the Pats for that, they didn't give him credit for that. They also tried to mess with him for zero reason the first few games.

This situation did not have to happen. It's bizarre. Smells like Denver 2010.

Mankins- from a contractural standpoint was not treated much better than WW. He needed to play 5 years of a rookie deal and was given a pro-rated salary.

The Pats had plans for how their offense was going to evolve and unfortunately WW was on the end of it.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

If welker was a better player he would have gotten paid more. end of discussion.

Welker had 3 offers 2/10 with incentives to get upto 16 from the pats, 2/12 from the bronos, and 2/15 from the titans.

Welkers market was set at between 5-7.5 million a year where some teams had 20-40 million in cap space free.

Welker put his ego on a pedestal and the nfl showed him he was not worth as much as he thought. Welker chose to walk away, and the patriots would have accepted him even after signing someone else when welker balked. This is the nfl and its a ******* team game, that money will go to other postitions and the patriots will be at the cap again this year like every year.

If you want to root for a team that breaks the bank every time a player wont pay for what the market value is, go root for the jets and their cluster**** of an organization. This is the Patriots.

This is all after welker declined a 3 year deal averaging 8 a year.

Not even true
He was reportedly offered 2 years 16 AFTER the end of his other deal, a 2yr extension

I get it, you think he got greedy and you also blindly support every move

 

[Patsrock]

Not even true
He was reportedly offered 2 years 16 AFTER the end of his other deal, a 2yr extension

I get it, you think he got greedy and you also blindly support every move

Actually him and his agent totally read the market wrong. I love Amendola signing but hate they let Welker leave. But I understand the Pats had a number in mind in what Welker was worth and they didn't go above it. Oh well move on