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Somehow we are equating their dumbness and ineptness to notorious intelligent scheming vs the pats. If the league ever ends up being accused for fixing then the whole thing will go down. They are extremely sensitive to gambling accusations with all these useless injury reports. Fixing will end the nfl, they care for it more than concussions.

That's why I don't think many people here actually believe the league is fixed against the Pats. If they do, they're gluttons for punishment. Either that or complete imbeciles since they knowingly watching a fixed game and putting money and/or ratings into the league's pocket.
 
Yeah... off the field they're being extremely petty. I'm still not convinced they're manipulating the games on the field. Nothing that I've seen bears that out to be true over the officials just being completely inept. Some of you seriously need to pop that New England bubble you're in and watch other games. They've been terrible all over the place this year. If some of you refuse to pop that New England bubble, look no further than that affair on MNF between the Lions and the Seahawks.
Knee jerk reaction, there, Kontra.

There's a difference between accusing the League of "manipulating the games on the field" (which you suggest I am arguing) and what I actually said, which was "The League is doing its best to take every possible advantage away from the Patriots." I think the evidence is that the latter statement is accurate.

I also think it's possible that the officials on the field are aware that they won't make any enemies at 345 Park if they call things extra tight on the Patriots, but that's also different than the League actually manipulating the games.

Finally, I don't think there's any reasonable doubt that Nash, Pash, Vincent, Goodell and Co. would vastly prefer that the Patriots in general and Brady in particular not have a chance to win another SB on the heels of the humiliation that Judge Berman put on them in his Ruling.

So, save it for someone else, as I don't think I need to have any bubbles popped.
 
money and/or ratings into the league's pocket

I'm not a Nielsen household so my viewership doesn't count and I don't spend money on nfl products. Only thing that I pay for is the nfl network and red zone but that's built into the tv package I have and there are other channels on that package I watch.
 
Not sure where I completely stand with all this ref/NFL office bs. A little paranoid? Yep, something I've developed over the last year from being lied to by Goodell and all his cronies including ESPN.

I do believe though that the Patriots can take things into their own hands by dominating the opposition. Play perfect fundamentally sound football and the rest will take care of itself. I've got to believe that or what is the use of watching?
 
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Knee jerk reaction, there, Kontra.

There's a difference between accusing the League of "manipulating the games on the field" (which you suggest I am arguing) and what I actually said, which was "The League is doing its best to take every possible advantage away from the Patriots." I think the evidence is that the latter statement is accurate.

I also think it's possible that the officials on the field are aware that they won't make any enemies at 345 Park if they call things extra tight on the Patriots, but that's also different than the League actually manipulating the games.

Finally, I don't think there's any reasonable doubt that Nash, Pash, Vincent, Goodell and Co. would vastly prefer that the Patriots in general and Brady in particular not have a chance to win another SB on the heels of the humiliation that Judge Berman put on them in his Ruling.

So, save it for someone else, as I don't think I need to have any bubbles popped.

I was not actually attributing that all to you. I just happened to quote your post. For the record, I agree that the league is trying to do everything it can to slow the Pats off the field with the ridiculous witch hunt and the taking of our draft picks. Others are suggesting they are trying to manipulate the game on the field. I really don't see it. Pats games haven't been the only games with some piss poor and questionable officiating this year.
 
The team might as well forfeit the game with this clown as referee.
 
I was not actually attributing that all to you. I just happened to quote your post. For the record, I agree that the league is trying to do everything it can to slow the Pats off the field with the ridiculous witch hunt and the taking of our draft picks. Others are suggesting they are trying to manipulate the game on the field. I really don't see it. Pats games haven't been the only games with some piss poor and questionable officiating this year.

Just to be sure Kontra, you are attributing Gronk's big OPI number outlier vs the rest of the league's TEs to the coincidence of oft repeated and very specific/focused bad officiating?
There can only be two explanations: a large and conspicuous number of coincidences of bad officiating instances on this specific player for this specific type penalty, or the league has coaxed-cajoled-kneaded (call it whatever) to single out specific players such as Gronk (for OPI).
If it is the second explanation then haven't they already demonstrated they will dp 'on field' things to get their desired results??

I don't understand the viability of your POV. You are saying (paraphrasing) "they would never do that because they fear they might get in trouble". No offense brother but you been living in a cave the past several years? . It is all but documented these guys will do nearly anything to get the outcomes they want -- coaxing that involves smearing reputations, livelihoods, and even involves lying to the court system. Yet they haven't paid any tangible price for any of it (salary, job, etc). But you are saying they believe on the field is off limits because there is an actual price to be paid there? What leads you to believe that a league accused of things like hiding that men suffer appalling brain injuries, sweeping under the rug as best as possible a torrential beating of spouses, where they get in front of millions to say "fair, integrity, independent" then hire Wells, where they get up in front of millions to say brady is a fine young man then to say to a legal entity he is almost worse than hitler. These guys who did this are afraid of being accused of coaxing Ref-ing when most people and media bought their deflategate and bountygate lies hook, like and sinker? Where most people and media think "Patriots getting railroaded? Good, who cares! F 'the Patriots".

Deflategate and others clearly indicate these guys live in a warped echo chamber. Fair, concern for players etc don't factor in this echo chamber. These guys are living by a set of principles that do not exist with conventional right or wrong, or with a guy named Kontra who sees that on field things are axiomatically sacred or out of bounds because 'this time they'll pay a price'.

I think you are right that they will not ever write down or speak in open air "let's get the Patriots (or fill in the blank with player or team name)(Patriots aren't the only ones they have a preference against)". Much like the smarts of a rat on a sinking ship they still innately know which way will keep them above water. But through the power of their administrative capacities they will both on and off the field look to get the outcomes that they want. And this is, IMHO, just the way it is. The Patriots need to be in position that their administrative power cannot materially change the outcome otherwise the Patriots will be at the whim of these scumbags. It is what it is....
 
I was not actually attributing that all to you. I just happened to quote your post. For the record, I agree that the league is trying to do everything it can to slow the Pats off the field with the ridiculous witch hunt and the taking of our draft picks. Others are suggesting they are trying to manipulate the game on the field. I really don't see it. Pats games haven't been the only games with some piss poor and questionable officiating this year.

Your posts make a lot of sense and I tend to agree with you but the officiating in the Denver game is tough to shake. Those calls were just horrible and one sided in the 4th quarter.

I don't know if that means that the NFL is trying to handicap the Patriots or there is an outside influence or if it was simply the worst officiating I've seen but that was the first game I felt that someone could have gotten paid.

I hate tin hat crap but this season (off season) has been incredibly strange.
 
Just to be sure Kontra, you are attributing Gronk's big OPI number outlier vs the rest of the league's TEs to the coincidence of oft repeated and very specific/focused bad officiating?
There can only be two explanations: a large and conspicuous number of coincidences of bad officiating instances on this specific player for this specific type penalty, or the league has coaxed-cajoled-kneaded (call it whatever) to single out specific players such as Gronk (for OPI).
If it is the second explanation then haven't they already demonstrated they will dp 'on field' things to get their desired results??

With Gronk specifically, I'm not sure. I've been of the belief that the refs have had tape submitted to them by other teams that ***** about what Gronk does. He does have the tendency to extend his arms from time to time but I think Gronk is essentially being punished because of his size. You'll notice that the OPI calls AGAINST Gronk have dissipated since Denver. It's probably because of the same reason. The Patriots have the ability to send in game tape to the league and officials as well.

I don't understand the viability of your POV. You are saying (paraphrasing) "they would never do that because they fear they might get in trouble". No offense brother but you been living in a cave the past several years? . It is all but documented these guys will do nearly anything to get the outcomes they want -- coaxing that involves smearing reputations, livelihoods, and even involves lying to the court system. Yet they haven't paid any tangible price for any of it (salary, job, etc). But you are saying they believe on the field is off limits because there is an actual price to be paid there? What leads you to believe that a league accused of things like hiding that men suffer appalling brain injuries, sweeping under the rug as best as possible a torrential beating of spouses, where they get in front of millions to say "fair, integrity, independent" then hire Wells, where they get up in front of millions to say brady is a fine young man then to say to a legal entity he is almost worse than hitler. These guys who did this are afraid of being accused of coaxing Ref-ing when most people and media bought their deflategate and bountygate lies hook, like and sinker? Where most people and media think "Patriots getting railroaded? Good, who cares! F 'the Patriots".

No. What I'm saying is that every time someone cites something as being an example of how the fix is in against the Patriots, it can also be explained by the sheer incompetence of the officiating across the entire league this season. I've given numerous examples of that, including one in this thread. What I'm also saying is that I'm not sure personally if the fix is in. The minute I become sure that the league is fixing things on the field against the Pats is the last minute I follow the NFL. Why anyone would continue to follow a fixed league at a point when they're absolutely sure of it is beyond me. It's mind-boggling, really.

Deflategate and others clearly indicate these guys live in a warped echo chamber. Fair, concern for players etc don't factor in this echo chamber. These guys are living by a set of principles that do not exist with conventional right or wrong, or with a guy named Kontra who sees that on field things are axiomatically sacred or out of bounds because 'this time they'll pay a price'.

Holy strawman, Batman! I've literally never said anything like that.

I think you are right that they will not ever write down or speak in open air "let's get the Patriots (or fill in the blank with player or team name)(Patriots aren't the only ones they have a preference against)". Much like the smarts of a rat on a sinking ship they still innately know which way will keep them above water. But through the power of their administrative capacities they will both on and off the field look to get the outcomes that they want. And this is, IMHO, just the way it is. The Patriots need to be in position that their administrative power cannot materially change the outcome otherwise the Patriots will be at the whim of these scumbags. It is what it is....

But a fix guarantees that the Patriots won't be winning jack, if that's the case. That's the whole point of a fix: to guarantee that you get the desired outcome you're looking for. If the league is in the process of fixing things on the field for the Pats, then we won't see them hoist a Lombardi this year. And, again, I have to outwardly wonder what the point is of watching football for those of you that are convinced this is the case. Because it seems like it would be a gigantic waste of time when you can just follow the WWE because at least they're honest about being fake.
 
Your posts make a lot of sense and I tend to agree with you but the officiating in the Denver game is tough to shake. Those calls were just horrible and one sided in the 4th quarter.

I don't know if that means that the NFL is trying to handicap the Patriots or there is an outside influence or if it was simply the worst officiating I've seen but that was the first game I felt that someone could have gotten paid.

I hate tin hat crap but this season (off season) has been incredibly strange.

Yeah, that was pretty bad. I turned the game off after the Gronk OPI.
 
KontradictioN writes:
"With Gronk specifically, I'm not sure. I've been of the belief that the refs have had tape submitted to them by other teams that ***** about what Gronk does. He does have the tendency to extend his arms from time to time but I think Gronk is essentially being punished because of his size. You'll notice that the OPI calls AGAINST Gronk have dissipated since Denver. It's probably because of the same reason. The Patriots have the ability to send in game tape to the league and officials as well."

Other teams are at fault for the, possible, singling out of Gronk for OPI? How certain are you it wasn't the league behind it more than anything? What gives you pause to believe the league would not do this and be at the heart of it?
Side note: Tailed off? Ok. Call on him last week? Typical BS. And just that one call and the last few games puts him into a small numerical category (if we disregard the first half of the season)....


"No. What I'm saying is that every time someone cites something as being an example of how the fix is in against the Patriots, it can also be explained by the sheer incompetence of the officiating across the entire league this season. I've given numerous examples of that, including one in this thread. What I'm also saying is that I'm not sure personally if the fix is in. The minute I become sure that the league is fixing things on the field against the Pats is the last minute I follow the NFL. Why anyone would continue to follow a fixed league at a point when they're absolutely sure of it is beyond me. It's mind-boggling, really."

You're conflating rigged with coaxed. The NFL will not rig, IMHO, the exact outcome. They just are going to knead the dough in hopes it rises into a cake -- knowing that it won't necessarily be a cake every time. Question, do you find this action by the league unlikely to believe??
Side note: no doubt the Patriots are victims of simple bad calls just like everyone else. If the Gronk huge outlier as well as defaltegate->Patriots called back for more big plays than anyone outlier, I could more buy into simple and random bad officiating.
Side note: if I thought it was flat out rigged I would shy away from the game. However, giving up something you have been passionate about for two decades isn't a flip of switch.



Holy strawman, Batman! I've literally never said anything like that.
Fair enough.

But a fix guarantees that the Patriots won't be winning jack, if that's the case. That's the whole point of a fix: to guarantee that you get the desired outcome you're looking for. If the league is in the process of fixing things on the field for the Pats, then we won't see them hoist a Lombardi this year. And, again, I have to outwardly wonder what the point is of watching football for those of you that are convinced this is the case. Because it seems like it would be a gigantic waste of time when you can just follow the WWE because at least they're honest about being fake.

See above as well as let me ask you this (alert, community college psych 101 coming). Is it possible, just possible, that you turn a blind eye to what seems to be a tangible possibility of league 'coaxing' because it is easier than giving up on the sport you've invested so much in?
 
1. Gronk was targeted by refs, but about 50% of IMO is that teams saw the tape from early on in the year and knew there were no flags flying for grabbing Gronk after 3yds. And the defenders are initiating the contact and sometimes flopping/acting that gronk's knocking their hands away ended up 'pushing' them.

2. the Broncos game: Do you remember the almost failure to declare penalty. I swear that conference looked like 4 guys who got Roger's email (and funds transfer) trying to convince the one guy who didnt.

What the Blakeman's crew needs is a directional mike picking up their conf talks and broadcasting to stadium or Posting to web. Might very well be interesting
 
you can't call an illegal pick by a WR on a defensive lineman negating an 70 yard gain.

they did last week in Foxboro.

but by all means, keep bleaching the ink blot that is NFL corruption.
 
you can't call an illegal pick by a WR on a defensive lineman negating an 70 yard gain.

they did last week in Foxboro.

but by all means, keep bleaching the ink blot that is NFL corruption.

Joker, let me play devil's advocate and say what some here believe: that bad call is simply the ever growing wheel of bad officiating landing on our number. The wheel is something that lands on every team at one time or another.
Since that is a true statement in general (it is true all teams are hit with bad calls every so often), what makes you sure in this and other suspicious instances it is the league behind the curtain working to achieve their desired outcome?
 
J, what makes you sure in this and other suspicious instances it is the league behind the curtain working to achieve their desired outcome?

 

Make no mistake, I'm largely in agreement that the league does not want the Patriots to win for various reasons. Wouldn't surprise me if just Goodell having to think about being on the stage after the SB is over with Brady and BB et al is enough for him and his scummy asshats to want the Patriots out. Their slimy PR driven echo chamber probably doesn't even understand any differently. Same goes with their defiance of Goodell's office. For sure that is something that makes them want to dole out 'the tail doesn't wag the dog' chop chop moves on.
The league's actions leave little doubt in my mind that they are capable of doing anything they believe they can get away with. On the field or off they will wield their administrative power to get what they want. And since they have been able to get away with a lot without tangible ramifications, it is human nature for the limits of their entitled thinking to expand just from a few years ago.

But outcome coaxing probability aside, the argument of 'simple bad officiating - happens to everyone' is going to be believed by many if not most in the absence of metrics to verify the coaxing claim. Just is what it is....
 
But outcome coaxing probability aside, the argument of 'simple bad officiating - happens to everyone' is going to be believed by many if not most in the absence of metrics to verify the coaxing claim. Just is what it is....



I see....so essentially you are saying THIS is just as likely a rhinoceros...or a duck billed platypus...or an aardvark . The white feathers of "more probable than not" , the orange bill of preposterous gauge "comparisons", the quackings of specific agenda driven sports media members and the webbed feet of aligned corporate interests (NFLoffices, ESPN,NFLN,Disney), all this will lead fans to believe it's Tom Brady in the dump hiding the cell phone. Thank you Colonel Mustard...

 
I think this is a great time of the year for each NFL team to hold bakesales so the NFL can hire full time professional referees that are trained and evaluated throughout the year..

Better still remove any taint of impropriety, let a company bid on the referee contract and if the company does not provide quality interpretation of the rules on the field find someone else... remove officiating from the stink of the NFL..


 
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