PATRIOTS NEWS Christian Barmore Extended

[Love The Drake]

I would do next years second for Aiyuk to replace Thornton.
Same deal for Higgins to replace Ju Ju.
However I don’t know if Higgins is needed as much now.
Wish there was a way to get Waddle from Miami.

 

[long distance]

This is an important point. The goal of this season should be creating the impression that THIS is a team that is "on the upswing".

Wins, IMHO are less important than being seen as being well coached and, more importantly, COMPETITIVE., even with a somewhat less than ideal roster.

If they just do that, then this will be a place where FA's will be willing to come to.

Its just about show me the money, ken. You know that. Except in very rare occasions or when the $ is equal.

Where this team needs to be COMPETITIVE is offering the best deal to the players they want.

 

[borisman]

With this extension (it leaves Judon as biggest star to be dealt with) we'll be in good shape to burn some cash next off-season and with the likely possibility of another top 5 draft pick (I see Vegas, Carolina, Washington, Denver and Tennessee as the drecks) and a good looking, much deeper draft, we should expect to be a playoff team in 2025. The schedule could be easier as well but we have a long way to go. Just thinking about the future and hoping for weekly improvement this upcoming season.

Not trying to piss on the 2024 season but it is what it is. It'll be a success to win 6 or 7 games.

We could also be in store for our very first Hard Knocks season. That would be interesting.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Football is won in the trenches, you pay for guys who can disrupt.

I'm excited about them returning the entire unit while also getting Judon, Gonzalez and Marcus Jones back... along with continued growth by Keion White, who has barely scratched the surface.

The offense doesn't even have to be explosive, if they can be efficient, run the ball, sustain drives and control the clock this team can win a lot of games assuming health.

You always need trench guys. Nobody is disputing that. But you also can't dispute this is a LOT of money to pay to a guy who is coming off his first big year of production.

 

[long distance]

Gotta wonder how many of these extensions would have gotten done if BB was here.

He never had this kind of cap.
(i actually do wonder what HE would do in this FA)

He was the ultimate opportunist though so Dugger and Barmore would probably not be a slam dunk.
Which is not necessary a bad thing..

Of course if one does zero on FA market and has a ton of cap - extending ones own is kinda given..

 

[VJCPatriot]

Given the value of the importance of being strong in the middle of the DL for say 30 plays a game vs having a very good, but aging and somewhat undependable WR is something I would do 100 times out of 100.

We don't need that #1 WR THIS year to make Jacobi look better. We need him NEXT year for Drake. And next year will be a good one for FA WR'S

Who is going to be the great FA WR for the Patriots to go after next year?

It feels like more and more teams are tying up their guys long term and the recent bump in the salary cap allowed them to do that.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Since we are on an expected multi-year rebuild, I would be against spending future draft capital now.

If we got one of them for say a third rounder. Which I highly doubt. I would consider it good value and be in on it.
I believe Maye won’t play much next year. So getting a X receiver is more likely in 2025.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

How much of that is the addition of Mayo and the removal of Mac?

Could be the homer in me but thinking its the former. The only way id stay somewhere thats been a ****storm the last 2 years is if i believe in the leadership.

 

[patfanken]

Its just about show me the money, ken. You know that. Except in very rare occasions or when the $ is equal.

Where this team needs to be COMPETITIVE is offering the best deal to the players they want.

FA is not a simple equation of bid the most and sign the player. Never forget that these are HIGHLY competitive guys. WINNING is very important to them in making a decision.

The kind of guy who you want to play for you will almost always take the $20MM/yr. deal to play for a contender over say the $23MM/ deal to play for a rebuilding team.

Remember, with the kind of $ these guys make these days, by the time they get to FA, they are already financially secure with several million in the bank.

 

[patfanken]

Who is going to be the great FA WR for the Patriots to go after next year?

It feels like more and more teams are tying up their guys long term and the recent bump in the salary cap allowed them to do that.

Supposedly, next year's FA WR class is much better than this year's.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

I’m all for, four more of, Barmore

 

[VJCPatriot]

Its just about show me the money, ken. You know that. Except in very rare occasions or when the $ is equal.

Where this team needs to be COMPETITIVE is offering the best deal to the players they want.

We lost out on Calvin Ridley and I have a feeling the difference in his decision was more than the 1 million dollar salary difference. He ended up with 4/92 from Titans. 23 vs 22m, is it that big a deal that we couldn't have matched?

 

[KCSVEN]

we'll be in good shape to burn some cash next off-season and with the likely possibility of another top 5 draft pick (I see Vegas, Carolina, Washington, Denver and Tennessee as the drecks) and a good looking, much deeper draft, we should expect to be a playoff team in 2025. T

2025 draft is less deep and much weaker, on average the 10th best prospect in 2025 would have been around the 40th best prospect in 2024. 2024 ended all the players from the covid year, and with NIL less underclassmen are coming out so 2025 statistically should be the worst draft for depth in a very long time.

Patriots, Giants, Panthers were the 3 worst offenses last year. Patriot could have a top 10 defense in 2024 if Gonzalez plays to his potential and Judon can give them some pass rush. If they get the offense to middle of the road they will be at worst, around .500.

I would not count on a top 5 pick, though it is possible but probably not likely with this defense and any semblance of an offense.

 

[borisman]

2025 draft is less deep and much weaker, on average the 10th best prospect in 2025 would have been around the 40th best prospect in 2024. 2024 ended all the players from the covid year, and with NIL less underclassmen are coming out so 2025 statistically should be the worst draft for depth in a very long time.

Patriots, Giants, Panthers were the 3 worst offenses last year. Patriot could have a top 10 defense in 2024 if Gonzalez plays to his potential and Judon can give them some pass rush. If they get the offense to middle of the road they will be at worst, around .500.

I would not count on a top 5 pick, though it is possible but probably not likely with this defense and any semblance of an offense.

I’ll take that bet, between now and kickoff, with under .500 record. It’s crazy talk to think the D can carry this team to 8-9 record. I’ll be watching, like I’ve been since 1981, but won’t expect more than a better team than last year, which was a disaster.

And it’s going to be a much more talented draft for the top 60 or so picks. I could give a rats ass who gets drafted after round 3. Not expecting much there other than depth and an occasional average starter.

 

[Joey007]

We lost out on Calvin Ridley and I have a feeling the difference in his decision was more than the 1 million dollar salary difference. He ended up with 4/92 from Titans. 23 vs 22m, is it that big a deal that we couldn't have matched?

What if Polk/Baker wind up producing similar production to what he had last year? You basically save $20 million per season avoiding paying a depreciating asset that's about to turn 30.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I think NE is a mystery for free agents right now: a new coach, a new GM (who isn't a GM), a new OC, a rookie QB (who is behind a vet QB who never did much), and few playmakers on offense. Give that a year or two and I think agents will feel differently about sending their clients to NE.

I think since the wheels fell off the wagon, things cannot get much worse and with how the draft went and the extensions we have seen, I am liking how things are going so far. Would these extensions have happened with previous leadership within the timeframe they happened or would things have been dragged out or even not happened? Not knocking how things were done, just getting a different vibe already from new management. So far I must say I am excited for this season and the future. Not saying we are going to see things change overnight but definitely feel that things will improve drastically. Then again, the wheels fell off the wagon so things can't get much worse.

Imagine the hatred/vitriol that will be directed at us if we get to the SB Maye's first year he starts.....The interwebs will implode and would be followed with several draft picks taken and many rules changed due to us "cheating"....I'm looking forward to it actually.

H8 away!

 

[Urgent]

Great news.
They have so much cap space. Would be great to use some roster bonus (recognized up front) rather than signing bonus (recognized over the future) with deals like this.
Good player. Sure, some risk. But it's not our money, and every deal can be restructured. Relatively low guarantees. Sounds great.

 

[Bill Lee]

Well. They’ve proven they have no difficulty getting some big time players to stay, now if only they could convince them to come. Yes, that’s what she said.

Nope, she says why can't they wait a little longer...

 

[The Gr8est]

We lost out on Calvin Ridley and I have a feeling the difference in his decision was more than the 1 million dollar salary difference. He ended up with 4/92 from Titans. 23 vs 22m, is it that big a deal that we couldn't have matched?

I celebrated losing out on Ridley.

He is not what the Pats need for that much money.

 

[Bill Lee]

92m dollars for 4 years. 41m in guaranteed money. That's 23 m aav. So Barmore gets WR1/Calvin Ridley money.

Source: Patriots, DT Christian Barmore Agree To Massive 4-Year Extension

I like Barmore a lot but this also feels like a lot of money. He had 8.5 sacks last year but that was the first year he really had outstanding numbers.

Looking forward to seeing the contract on Sportac/OTC.

Chances are the guarantees are mostly in the first two seasons, then the expectation is after year 2 if he's playing very well the team probaly is OK with year 3, or if not they renegotiate and push the rest in the future if he's still playing well enough for that, or if not he gets traded if he's still tradable, or becomes a cap casualty. Chances are year 4 is a balloon year, and maybe one that voids automatically.

AAV is IMO a pretty misleading stat, since almost no player ever sees the full 'value' of the contract.

Said it before, the Pats were the only team that could put any more money in his pocket this year. For D lineman in the last year of a rookie deal that signing bonus and the guarantees are a hella incentive to get something done before setting foot on a field again. Generational wealth without risk.

Agree, and like I said, the NFL loves control the control it has over it key talent.

They make it so players nearing the end of their rookie contracts are incentivized to sign with their team, with the player always knowing the team can use the franchise tag to keep them.

Of course if the player isn't playing well he gets traded away or cut. It's only rare cases where someone like Cousins perhaps gets overpaid, but again, that only happens when the team wants it to happen.