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IllegalContact

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some of these guys lose focus after 20-30min even if they don't have a cell phone with them......it's basically a break people can go play with their phones or get a snack, or go jerk off in the bathroom

making 'em sit for an hour versus 20-30 min probably does not have an effect on the ultimate outcome
 
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Simpelton

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it's easy......tell them to get out of the room.....once they start dropping down the depth chart, they will comply

'working with' means letting the inmates run the asylum. all it takes is for you to be a few seconds late to be sent home by BB.......how does that work out?

Bill Belichick has one heck of a carrot to dangle, working with his system results in shots at deep playoff runs. That also gives him the credibility to swing the stick with a certain authority if a player steps out of line.

Now imagine you're trying to run a grubby little call center, or even a basement dwelling NFL team. The moment you walk in the door half your people are already checked out mentally and thinking they have no reason to go out of their way to excel. you have no carrot when your best possible outcome is just another day at the office, and you usually need every talented individual you can get your hands on so swinging the stick is out of the question. You don't have talent to waste making a point and your workers know it.

Now tell me how you're going to march in there and whip it into military precision with that to work with. Kingsbury doesn't have the prestige or success of a Belichick to fall back on. He's got to get the players to buy in without anywhere near the level of reason to buy in that Belichick has. Hardly surprising that he'll take a softer line and try to meet the players halfway. He really doesn't have the resources on hand to do it the Belichick way.
 

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I can't remember a meeting in the last 10 years I've been didn't include people looking at their phones. These people aren't in their 20s. 40s-60s. I don't see it as a generational thing, but an individual thing.
 

Simpelton

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I've been in meetings where cell phones were virtually required. Company decided that since pretty much everyone had one, and those that didn't could get one for less than $30, that it would use the WebEx mobile app and other mobile productivity tools to allow workers to follow along with the meeting on their devices. You can make an entire presentation on mobile after all, you've been able to do that for years. If people are going to have their eyes on their phones half the time, why not take advantage of that impulse, and use said phones to get some work done?

Generally speaking rather than be a tone-deaf old housebat worrying about kids-these-days on their cellphones, doesn't it make a lot more sense to shift the workload in the direction of the devices your workers are already using?
 

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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gbeegames.football&hl=en_US

Just for the record... if I was coaching a modern generation of football players, I'd make extensive use of something very like this. Put it on the devises they're already using and turn cell phones from a distraction into a tool. You're not going to win the Battle To Do Everything The Way It Used To Be Done. So do the Belichickan thing and adapt your strategies and technique to what works in the modern era.
 

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Lol at some people here acting like they are not on their phones all day during work.

I'm on my phone or IPad all night during work. Just admit it.
 

Simpelton

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Lol at some people here acting like they are not on their phones all day during work.

I'm on my phone or IPad all night during work. Just admit it.
Yep. Guilty as charged. One of the reasons that the cell phone policy at work got changed is that the supervisor was just as guilty as anyone else.

Although in my case I tried to justify it by broadcasting Red Sox games for the benefit of the staff, and when I was offline doing something mundane and supervisory in the back room I'd broadcast some classical music, on the theory that it helps people think clearly.
 

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Our oldest son went to live and work in South Korea about 12 years ago (he's now living in China but headed back to the USA as I type this). The first thing he talked about 12 years ago was the way that the people in Korea were constantly viewing an electronic screen of some kind, even in their cars. He was actually pretty critical of their constant use of those devices. Now he's like them and staring at a screen in his hand all day long. IMHO there's no way that's a good thing, especially during a team meeting.
 

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I can't be the only one who sees the irony in a bunch of people being on a Patriots forum in the middle of the work day complaining about how players are being given cell phone breaks during work. If you're posting here at noon on a Wednesday then "people shouldn't be online and staring at a screen during the workday" is a pretty odd stance to take.
 

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I can't be the only one who sees the irony in a bunch of people being on a Patriots forum in the middle of the work day complaining about how players are being given cell phone breaks during work. If you're posting here at noon on a Wednesday then "people shouldn't be online and staring at a screen during the workday" is a pretty odd stance to take.
Yes and no.
Full disclosure: I work from home & travel and have 3 laptops going.

One for work
One for play (which this page is pretty much loaded all the time LinkedIn, etc)
One for personal financial stuff (etrade, etc)
I have my phone going too with texts from the kids, buddies, Mrs RW, tweets, etc.

But here is the thing....if I'm in an all-day client/company meeting, video/con call or whatever that requires my full attention I have enough discipline to not look/fiddle with the non-essential electronics and focus on my job or whomever I respect enough to give my undivided attention and professionalism.
 

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I can't be the only one who sees the irony in a bunch of people being on a Patriots forum in the middle of the work day complaining about how players are being given cell phone breaks during work. If you're posting here at noon on a Wednesday then "people shouldn't be online and staring at a screen during the workday" is a pretty odd stance to take.

Damn you beat me to making this exact point as soon as I saw the thread title and correctly predicted what everyone’s reaction would be.
 

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Wow, the excuses people make for not paying attention in meetings. What a bunch of slackers. I see you people in your cars looking at your phones.....I hope you don't hit anybody, faulking jackarses.
 

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Bill Belichick has one heck of a carrot to dangle, working with his system results in shots at deep playoff runs. That also gives him the credibility to swing the stick with a certain authority if a player steps out of line.

Now imagine you're trying to run a grubby little call center, or even a basement dwelling NFL team. The moment you walk in the door half your people are already checked out mentally and thinking they have no reason to go out of their way to excel. you have no carrot when your best possible outcome is just another day at the office, and you usually need every talented individual you can get your hands on so swinging the stick is out of the question. You don't have talent to waste making a point and your workers know it.

Now tell me how you're going to march in there and whip it into military precision with that to work with. Kingsbury doesn't have the prestige or success of a Belichick to fall back on. He's got to get the players to buy in without anywhere near the level of reason to buy in that Belichick has. Hardly surprising that he'll take a softer line and try to meet the players halfway. He really doesn't have the resources on hand to do it the Belichick way.




it's a simple concept that doesn't need to be overthought.......if the owner wants a winning team, he will back the coach when it's time to make an example of a few players......otherwise, nothing will change......you're making excuses.....people don't look at their cell phones during meetings where I work....in fact, there are no chairs in the conference rooms where I work so meetings are never longer than they need to be and if anyone is not paying attention in that short time, they look really bad
 

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Update:
Sources within the Cardinals organization indicate the team is in final discussions to establish a cell phone zone on the sidelines during preseason and regular season contests this season. Players and coaches will be allowed to enter a designated tent during all breaks in play. Coach Kingsbury strongly believes the modern athlete can achieve heightened focus and performance on the field because of such innovative policies. Players will be required to limit their technology use to texts, email, Twitter, FaceBook Live, Instagram, and voice conservations. Players will not be allowed to communicate with gambling operations after the opening kickoff
 

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I can just imagine,
" Hey, Coach Belichick hold on to that thought, I have to take this call from my agent/girlfriend/baby mama/fiancee/wife/financial advisor. Just take a few minutes."

Not really feeling it....
 

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I can't be the only one who sees the irony in a bunch of people being on a Patriots forum in the middle of the work day complaining about how players are being given cell phone breaks during work. If you're posting here at noon on a Wednesday then "people shouldn't be online and staring at a screen during the workday" is a pretty odd stance to take.

That's......



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.............................. true.
 

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Yes and no.
Full disclosure: I work from home & travel and have 3 laptops going.

One for work
One for play (which this page is pretty much loaded all the time LinkedIn, etc)
One for personal financial stuff (etrade, etc)
I have my phone going too with texts from the kids, buddies, Mrs RW, tweets, etc.

But here is the thing....if I'm in an all-day client/company meeting, video/con call or whatever that requires my full attention I have enough discipline to not look/fiddle with the non-essential electronics and focus on my job or whomever I respect enough to give my undivided attention and professionalism.

Sure, I'm the same way. I work from home as often as not, and even when I'm not at home my job gives me a ton of freedom to basically management my own time however I see fit. But yeah, if I'm in a meeting or in any other environment where it's expected that someone else will have my undivided attention, then they will have it because it would be rude and unproductive for me not to give it to them.

But isn't that the whole point of Kingsbury giving cell phone breaks in the first place? If guys are using their phones during breaks, then that's explicitly not a time where they're expected to be doing something else or paying attention to someone else. Basically, I think the only way to take issue with this is if you inherently take issue with people using their personal devices during the workday--even when permitted to do so. If I'm understanding you correctly, it seems that you don't have any inherent problem with that.
 

robertweathers

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Sure, I'm the same way. I work from home as often as not, and even when I'm not at home my job gives me a ton of freedom to basically management my own time however I see fit. But yeah, if I'm in a meeting or in any other environment where it's expected that someone else will have my undivided attention, then they will have it because it would be rude and unproductive for me not to give it to them.

But isn't that the whole point of Kingsbury giving cell phone breaks in the first place? If guys are using their phones during breaks, then that's explicitly not a time where they're expected to be doing something else or paying attention to someone else. Basically, I think the only way to take issue with this is if you inherently take issue with people using their personal devices during the workday--even when permitted to do so. If I'm understanding you correctly, it seems that you don't have any inherent problem with that.

Yea as I said earlier I don't have a huge problem with what KK is doing. Hes laying down a rule and it's up to the players to adhere to it. If the players absorb the material, play well and they make progress and win, then great. If the players fail and the team sucks then he deserves scrutiny for giving players too much free time to focus on things not job-related. Whether he determines the phone policy is a direct contributor to losing who knows...

With that said, KK does think players these days do have focus issues and have short attention spans so he is trying to find a solution to that problem.
 

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