Patriots Local News:

SOURCE:Yahoo! Sports


SOURCE:Yahoo! Sports


SOURCE:USA TODAY


SOURCE:CBS Boston


SOURCE:Providence Journal


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:Boston.com


SOURCE:Boston.com


SOURCE:USA TODAY


SOURCE:CBS Boston


SOURCE:Yahoo! Sports


SOURCE:NESN


SOURCE:NESN


SOURCE:NESN


SOURCE:NESN


SOURCE:USA TODAY


SOURCE:Yahoo! Sports


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:NESN


SOURCE:NESN

Patsfans.com


Upcoming Opponent:
Next Up: Lions
Thu
Aug 8th
Right Now At PatsFans.com:
'You Have to Want it More'
Patriots receiver Julian Edelman knows how tough it is to be successful in the NFL, especially considering his road to success.


Current Patriots Twitter Feed:

Can we stop with this "Choking" nonsense?

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Wildo7, Jan 13, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,945
    Likes Received:
    42
    Ratings:
    +135
    It's getting really silly how the homers on this site seem to have a huge misunderstanding of what it means to "choke" in a sports context. To "choke" means that when you have the game in hand you somehow meltdown and throw it all away. The 2004 Yankees "choked," Manning today did not "choke" nor did Brady "choke" in last year's AFCCG. Of course when your desperately trying to complete a miraculous drive down the field with under 2 minutes left, 95% time it's going to end in an interception. You aren't expected to pull off such a drive, which is what makes them special when they do happen, so they are not choke-jobs when they don't
     

  2. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    61,659
    Likes Received:
    7,922
    Ratings:
    +46,118
    From Webster's online:


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/choke


    Manning choked. That's just the way it is. The one who doesn't seem to understand what "choke" means is you.
     
  3. pheenix11

    pheenix11 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    4,417
    Likes Received:
    902
    Ratings:
    +3,979
    I consider it choking because they were favored, at home, playing against backups in the end and had the refs gift wrap the game for them.

    And Manning still couldn't win.
     
  4. swuster

    swuster Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    44
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Is every team able to gain 60+ yards on every drive? No. There were no visible signs of him losing his composure. Up to the end, he was still hitting his receivers. Don't act like the good teams can't go 3-and-out.

    I could make a case for Vinatieri "choking" with his missed FG earlier this year against the Bolts - but I really don't see how Manning choked here.

    We get it - Tom Brady is a god. I think he's pretty good too. One of the greatest, even. No need to try and continue pounding that fact into everyone's throats when everyone knows it already.
     
  5. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,945
    Likes Received:
    42
    Ratings:
    +135
    4: to lose one's composure and fail to perform effectively in a critical situation

    Except that didn't happen today. The situation wasn't a "critical" one it was one of desperation, and he never lost his composure or failed to perform effectively, he just couldn't pull off a miracle drive.

    By your logic, a fighter on the ropes, about to get knocked out is a choker if he doesn't somehow manage to miraculously knock the other guy out.

    Just out of curiosity, is it possible for Manning to lose a game and not "choke?" If so, I'd really like to hear this scenario because you make it sound like any loss is a choke job.
     
  6. pheenix11

    pheenix11 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    4,417
    Likes Received:
    902
    Ratings:
    +3,979
    No sign of him losing composure?

    Its not called the "Manning Face" for nothing

    bwahahahah
     
  7. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,945
    Likes Received:
    42
    Ratings:
    +135
    You seem to switch subjects here. Is it Manning or the entire team? also, if a team as a whole doesn't perform up to expectations, but the QB plays well, and they lose, then he automatically choked?

    If his name was Garrard or Schaub instead of Manning, you all would be saying, "he played a good game but the other team was just too much for them today."
     
  8. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    61,659
    Likes Received:
    7,922
    Ratings:
    +46,118
    I can only assume that you're joking with this post. He had first and goal from the 9 with 3 minutes left in the game. Instead of standing tall and getting the job done, he gas-piped it.
     
  9. 5 Rings for Brady!!

    5 Rings for Brady!! In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2006
    Messages:
    2,751
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Well Manning took a shot at his team in the post game conference. He just had to mention that the Chargers "whole team" played better.

    Good old Manning. Can't finish his important drives, and always finds a way to blame his teammates after the loss.

    What a classy guy. He and LT ought to start a classy guy seminar. Maybe Merriman could show how to do a classy dance. :D

    This thread SUCKS.
     
  10. pheenix11

    pheenix11 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    4,417
    Likes Received:
    902
    Ratings:
    +3,979
    Well the whole team sucks but Manning has made choking into an art form.
     

  11. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,945
    Likes Received:
    42
    Ratings:
    +135
    Manning was a total choke-artist in 2005, but he obviously didn't choke last year and I don't think he choked today.

    Again, would you say Brady choked in last year's AFCCG?
     
  12. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,945
    Likes Received:
    42
    Ratings:
    +135
    Hey, good job, because we were discussing what Manning says in his post-game press conferences here.:rolleyes:

    I know I usually make lengthy responses in threads that "suck."
     
  13. 5 Rings for Brady!!

    5 Rings for Brady!! In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2006
    Messages:
    2,751
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    BLAH BLAH FRIGGIN BLAH.

    This thread sucks.
     
  14. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    61,659
    Likes Received:
    7,922
    Ratings:
    +46,118
    Would I say that Brady choked? It depends on which story you believe. If you believe that Troy Brown ran the wrong route, you'd say that Brady didn't choke. If you believe that it was a bad pass by Brady, you'd have to say that Brady choked.
     
  15. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,945
    Likes Received:
    42
    Ratings:
    +135
    Dumb homers suck.
     
  16. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    61,659
    Likes Received:
    7,922
    Ratings:
    +46,118
    You started a thread complaining that people misunderstood what choking is. In your post informing the world of this, you displayed a complete misunderstanding of what choking is.


    Calling someone else dumb in the same thread that you made such a doozy of a screw up is a bit..... dumb.
     
  17. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,945
    Likes Received:
    42
    Ratings:
    +135
    I saw a few drops by Colts players today in important situations. I'm sure some of them may have run wrong routes also. The fact that you entertain the idea that Troy ran the wrong route but put it all on Manning, shows the difference is in the homerism.
     
  18. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,945
    Likes Received:
    42
    Ratings:
    +135
    Yeah except I didn't screw anything up, you did, you posted a definition that you apparently didn't read.

    And clicking on a thread that you find dumb to say it "sucks" instead of trying to make a valid argument is a bit........dumb.
     
  19. 5 Rings for Brady!!

    5 Rings for Brady!! In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2006
    Messages:
    2,751
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    Yeah they do Waldo. That's why people seemed to vote one star on your dumb thread.
     
  20. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,945
    Likes Received:
    42
    Ratings:
    +135
    lol, how sad of you.
     

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

Search For Links: - CLOSE
For searches with multiple players
add commas (Ex: "Brady, Gronkowski")