Browns Defense and Joe Haden

[SalemPats]

This is a solid defense that has been failed by a turnover prone offense. In particular Joe Haden has stood out (other than last sunday when Shorts beat him on a double move). I personally believe he is one of the elite CBs in the league. When Brady plays these guys (Revis, Sherman, etc...), he usually challenges them and once they earn his respect he stays away from them. I wonder how they'll utlilize Haden, will he play his side or stay on a WR. I think this will be interesting matchup. It will also be a good challenge for our WRs to see if they can win this battle.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Joe Haden is largely irrelevant as we don't have a #1 WR for him to cover (that's not meant negatively). He can feel free to take Edleman or Dobson or whoever, we'll go to the others.

More concerning to me is the Browns' DC is the DC from Arizona last year which gave us problems Week 2. Haden ? Just look elsewhere, no big deal.

 

[Ozymandias]

Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, A.J. Green, Mike Wallace and Cecil Shorts all don't think Haden is one of the best corners in the league.

The common thread there is that those receivers are all pretty much speed guys which is Haden's kryptonite. Put your fastest wide-out on him running 9-routes and he'll get torched. If Dobson is good to go this week, that's all I'd do with him.

The Browns defense is good, but with the way the Patriots offense has been playing as of late, I doubt they stand much of chance in slowing down a machine that's becoming well oiled, if not already.

 

[SalemPats]

Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, A.J. Green, Mike Wallace and Cecil Shorts all don't think Haden is one of the best corners in the league.

The common thread there is that those receivers are all pretty much speed guys which is Haden's kryptonite. Put your fastest wide-out on him running 9-routes and he'll get torched. If Dobson is good to go this week, that's all I'd do with him.

The Browns defense is good, but with the way the Patriots offense has been playing as of late, I doubt they stand much of chance in slowing down a machine that's becoming well oiled, if not already.

That would be great if we could tell Ray Horton that Haden should cover Dobson

 

[SalemPats]

Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, A.J. Green, Mike Wallace and Cecil Shorts all don't think Haden is one of the best corners in the league.

The common thread there is that those receivers are all pretty much speed guys which is Haden's kryptonite. Put your fastest wide-out on him running 9-routes and he'll get torched. If Dobson is good to go this week, that's all I'd do with him.

The Browns defense is good, but with the way the Patriots offense has been playing as of late, I doubt they stand much of chance in slowing down a machine that's becoming well oiled, if not already.

these are Haden's stats:
- Ravens' Torrey Smith caught seven passes for 85 in the first meeting and caught five for 78 yards in the second game.
-Calvin Johnson to just three catches for 25 yards,
-Green had seven receptions for 51 yards in the first game and two for seven yards.
-Mike Wallace caught just one pass for 15 yards,
-Greg Jennings had three catches for 43 yards.
-Dwayne Bowe was held to one catch for seven yards,
-Stevie Johnson had two receptions for 19 yards.
-Jordy Nelson had five catches for 43 yards, including a touchdown.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

That would be great if we could tell Ray Horton that Haden should cover Dobson

Their other starting CB is 5'9" Buster Skrine. If they put Haden on someone else - again, who ? - then Dobson - if healthy - is a mismatch on Skrine.

Also their Safetys are both short. Gronk.

 

[SalemPats]

Their other starting CB is 5'9" Buster Skrine. If they put Haden on someone else - again, who ? - then Dobson - if healthy - is a mismatch on Skrine.

Also their Safetys are both short. Gronk.

We're not going to Dobson/KT, etc... We tried that in the beginning of the year and they couldn't catch the ball. This game will be an opportunity for Amendola to step up, I assume Haden will be focusing on Edelman.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

We're not going to Dobson/KT, etc... We tried that in the beginning of the year and they couldn't catch the ball. This game will be an opportunity for Amendola to step up, I assume Haden will be focusing on Edelman.

I love Edelman as much as anyone but if your big concern about the Browns is Haden shutting down our best WR - and that is Edelman - we've already won. Let Haden and Edelman do what they want and the Patriots will go after Skrine and their short Safetys with our size. Gronk, Dobson, Thompkins. And throw in Vereen a few times a quarter.

 

[Rob0729]

The Pats have torn apart two of the league's top defenses in the league in recent weeks (Pittsburgh and Houston). I don't know if I am all that worried about the offense on Sunday.

 

[Ozymandias]

these are Haden's stats:
- Ravens' Torrey Smith caught seven passes for 85 in the first meeting and caught five for 78 yards in the second game.
-Calvin Johnson to just three catches for 25 yards,
-Green had seven receptions for 51 yards in the first game and two for seven yards.
-Mike Wallace caught just one pass for 15 yards,
-Greg Jennings had three catches for 43 yards.
-Dwayne Bowe was held to one catch for seven yards,
-Stevie Johnson had two receptions for 19 yards.
-Jordy Nelson had five catches for 43 yards, including a touchdown.

I liked how you only brought stats for this season and left out those for Sanders, Brown and Shorts. In their biggest games against Haden he's been torched downfield by both Green and Wallace.

A.J. Green:

1. 1 catch for 41 yards in his first game ever in the NFL.
2. 3 catches for 110 yards with a long of 51 yards.
3. 7 catches for 135 yds with a long of 57 yards.

Mike Wallace:

1. 3 catches for 90 yards with a long of 50 yards.
2. 3 catches for 105 yards with a long of 56 yards.

Haden's a great corner but he does have one significant weakness, and that's his speed downfield. He becomes somewhat of a liability when he loses at the line of scrimmage and has to cover speedy shifty guys on deep veritcal routes. Trying to state otherwise isn't true at all.

That's why it's best to utilize your speediest wide-out and try to exploit that weakness. It's the same weakness Sherman has too. He gets burnt deep downfield on go-routes often as well.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

Joe Haden is largely irrelevant as we don't have a #1 WR for him to cover (that's not meant negatively). He can feel free to take Edleman or Dobson or whoever, we'll go to the others.

More concerning to me is the Browns' DC is the DC from Arizona last year which gave us problems Week 2. Haden ? Just look elsewhere, no big deal.

I wouldn't attribute that game to a gameplan as much as I would Calais Campbell and Darnell Dockett doing what they pleased.

The offense has played some good defenses in the last month, and they've done well. I'm back to worrying about the defense. Our secondary wasn't even competitive yesterday.

 

[Ring 6]

these are Haden's stats:
- Ravens' Torrey Smith caught seven passes for 85 in the first meeting and caught five for 78 yards in the second game.
-Calvin Johnson to just three catches for 25 yards,
-Green had seven receptions for 51 yards in the first game and two for seven yards.
-Mike Wallace caught just one pass for 15 yards,
-Greg Jennings had three catches for 43 yards.
-Dwayne Bowe was held to one catch for seven yards,
-Stevie Johnson had two receptions for 19 yards.
-Jordy Nelson had five catches for 43 yards, including a touchdown.

Unless Haden played man on those guys all game long, those are not Haden's stats.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

We're not going to Dobson/KT, etc... We tried that in the beginning of the year and they couldn't catch the ball. This game will be an opportunity for Amendola to step up, I assume Haden will be focusing on Edelman.

Those 2 will be key during the playoffs. We've seen Dobson is a beast when Tom had protection. Thompkins is great also. Edelman and amendola can carry the team with a missing gronk for a game or 2. The rooks couldn't. But with a healthy gronk and amendola, we will have 6 great to stud targets for Tom finally. And we will go to KT and AD, we have to.

 

[mgteich]

You might include Carolina.

Cleveland's defense is a step down from Houston, Carolina and Pittsburgh.

The Pats have torn apart two of the league's top defenses in the league in recent weeks (Pittsburgh and Houston). I don't know if I am all that worried about the offense on Sunday.

 

[Rob0729]

You might include Carolina.

Cleveland's defense is a step down from Houston, Carolina and Pittsburgh.

Yeah, although the Pats only scored 20 points against Carolina, it was due more to the Pats shooting themselves in the foots than Carolina stopping the offense.

 

[JMC00]

Our secondary wasn't even competitive yesterday.

meh, take away Arrington's screw up and Keenum was 14 of 29 for 206 1 INT. With 8 of those completions and more than half those yards going to Andre Johnson who averaged about 15 yards a catch.

That's with a #1 CB not playing at 100 percent, the #2 CB out with a rookie replacing him, the slot corner also not playing at 100 percent and a rookie safety playing half the defensive snaps.

They were also playing in zone coverage some of the game, which if you play against a guy like Andre Johnson and there is any weakness in that zone he'll exploit it. Which there was with him going over the middle.

You want to see an uncompetitive secondary go look at some of those 2011 games when people like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Vince Young, Dan Orlovsky, Jason Campbell, Rex Grossman and Matt Moore looked like Pro Bowl QBs.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

any defense should be worried that the Pats might actually play 60 minutes of offense. As it has only needed about 30-35 good minutes in a game the last couple.

With that being said, it's to our defenses benefit that we go on long/sustained drives or wearing out the opposing D.

 

[Sicilian]

Yeah, although the Pats only scored 20 points against Carolina, it was due more to the Pats shooting themselves in the foots than Carolina stopping the offense.

And they should have had a 1st and goal from the 1 to make it 27.

 

[SoCal Pmen]

I'm not worried about the Pats putting up points on Cleveland. I'm more worried about the Pats playing down to the competition making whomever QB starts for Cleveland look like Otto Graham and RB Ogbonnaya rip 100+ yards on them.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not worried about the Pats putting up points on Cleveland. I'm more worried about the Pats playing down to the competition making whomever QB starts for Cleveland look like Otto Graham and RB Ogbonnaya rip 100+ yards on them.

You shouldnt be:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/1076363-stat-fact-mind-boggling-me.html

This team 'plays down to the competition' less than any ever has.