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Breer: Pats out on Robinson, considering an LT by committee approach? (Update: likely fake Reddit post)[3/19: signs w/Texans]

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I did alot of the same reading you did and had the same opinions until i actually put in the film amd watched for myself.

Will Campbell is going to be an excellent lineman, he has ELITE movement skills at 6'6 320 with outstanding torque and understanding of leverage. Also extremely smart with an instinct for twists and stunts. He is more of a pass protector then a run blocker and IMO is very good at making a guy use multiple moves to get by him and even if they do is able to get back in front of them again. Basically you are getting a guy that never gets flat out beat and would provide a minimum of 3 seconds of protection every play.

The downside for me is the short wingspan (dont care about arm length) does show up on film, guys get hands on him all the time and he gets moved from his spot. The speed and movement skills i mentioned make up for it though as his recovery is excellent but he is not a guy who will just flat out stonewall his guy for 5 seconds. He also lacks that nasty powerful drive blocking in the run game. I saw a technician with excellent instincts and for my own personal preference, especially if he switches to guard, i want Logan Mankins and Campbell is just not that guy. If he is in a strech zone blocking scheme where he can get out in space and be in the right place at the right time i do see the potential to be very good. I would be 100% fine with taking him top 10 and get a 2nd round pick but not at #4. Give him a shot at LT for a year, he makes the transition, fantastic, if not we try again next year and have a good young left side where right now is there even one player you are 100% sure will be a starter next year?

Membou on the other hand was everything i wanted to see on film. Multiple times i went wow! Look at the feet! This is a massive dancing bear with a nasty streak that is looking to pancake people. You want to see dominance on college film and this IS the guy that once you are in his range ends you. Not as good on stunts and twist recognition but at only 20 still has plenty of room to grow. Yes he has only played RT in college and doesnt have the pedigree and stats Campbell does but i would be 100% happy taking him at 4 and giving him a shot. Let Lowe start the first 6-8 games while Membou is the 6th lineman getting his feet wet but then see what hes got. Doesnt make it, again draft an actual left tackle next year but at least one tackle spot is solved for next year as Moses is 34.

Graham came in 30# under advertised and we just signed Williams. Between him and Barmore that position is stocked and this feels like a huge wasted pick. I was high on him before that but i just see a player that we could get 90% of in the second if we want to go that route.

To sum up, my game plan for the draft is as follows, in order of preference. If Carter is there at 4 sprint up to the podium, Hunter is there trade down for a haul, like a 3rd this year and a first next year, likely scenario both hunter and carter are gone trade down to 10ish and pick up a 2nd draft campbell, no trades are available draft Membou at 4. I would be very very pleased with any of those.

This is perhaps the best assessment I've read concerning Campbell, thank you. I never really questioned whether Campbell would wind up being a solid NFL starting LT who's floor would be say, Matt Light and ceiling is a perennial all pro. Light was a very good LT who I thought might have been that perennial all pro at LG. So I'm not worried Campbell is going to bust or anything. It's all about the value.

It's literally been a QUARTER of a century since we've drafted in such a rarified atmosphere (Richard Seymour at #6 when Bill wisely ignored the flashy popular WR pick to grab a future HOFer). so I'm not willing to simply try and get a "good prospect" who turns out to be a solid NFL starter. I want a guy who has the physical talent to be MORE than that and then hope he lives up to that talent and becomes this era's Richard Seymour.

BTW- still waiting for someone to send me someone's analysis of the Carter/Campbell match up this year. Send it in a reply, or PM. I'd appreciate it
 
It appears that pats tried to sign him but he preferred Houston ( he is from Louisiana)
According to Reiss:
And the Patriots were in the mix to some degree, according to a team source, but the sense was that Robinson preferred Houston.
Makes you wonder what "to some degree" means.
 
This is perhaps the best assessment I've read concerning Campbell, thank you. I never really questioned whether Campbell would wind up being a solid NFL starting LT who's floor would be say, Matt Light and ceiling is a perennial all pro. Light was a very good LT who I thought might have been that perennial all pro at LG. So I'm not worried Campbell is going to bust or anything. It's all about the value.

It's literally been a QUARTER of a century since we've drafted in such a rarified atmosphere (Richard Seymour at #6 when Bill wisely ignored the flashy popular WR pick to grab a future HOFer). so I'm not willing to simply try and get a "good prospect" who turns out to be a solid NFL starter. I want a guy who has the physical talent to be MORE than that and then hope he lives up to that talent and becomes this era's Richard Seymour.

BTW- still waiting for someone to send me someone's analysis of the Carter/Campbell match up this year. Send it in a reply, or PM. I'd appreciate it
Anytime, and i wouldnt say his floor is Matt Light, cuz Light played a decade of average LT. There is a legit question of if Campbell can play LT in the NFL at all, because he doesnt just have short arms, he has a historically bad wingspan. Makes up for it with height, again ELITE movement skills, and just being smarter then the guy he is up against, but if you are looking for someone with HOF talent...yeah thats not him. At no point watching his film did he wow me, never said damn look at that there are like 3 people on the planet that can do what he just did. Just consistently did his job against the best the country has to offer, giving up just 2 sacks in his career. With all of that i wont be upset if they give him a shot to prove he is better then Lowe and try again next year if he isnt.

Didnt we draft Drake Maye #3 last year? The problem with this years draft is there are exactly 2 of the kind of prospects you are talking about and one of them in probably better as a CB. Most years there are 5-10 of that level prospect plus the QB or 2 that get overdrafted. Only 1 QB even meets that low bar so the Pats at 4 get first selection of the next tier and you can wish, and want, and pray, but who is available is who you get to choose from and they picked an unfortunate year to suck this bad.
 
My belief is they wanted to sign him but clearly not badly enough to overpay.
Agreed, but it makes you wonder why. Either they think he's better than what they have and gives them some flexibility in the draft or they don't. I'm not sure what saving a couple of million does for them here.
 
Agreed, but it makes you wonder why. Either they think he's better than what they have and gives them some flexibility in the draft or they don't. I'm not sure what saving a couple of million does for them here.
Based on what i've read it's 1. some history with the player and current reports his effort/attitude are lacking and 2. Lowe graded out as even w/ Cam in pass blocking so they didn't see the $12m expense to warrant that substantial of an upgrade at the position.

No question Cam is a better player but I think that was the logic.
 
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Based on what i've read it's 1. some history with the player and current reports his effort/attitude are lacking and 2. Lowe graded out as even w/ Cam in pass blocking so they didn't see the $12m expense that substantial of an upgrade at the position.

No question Cam is a better player but I think that was the logic.
Right, but why would they then be sort of interested? If they didn't think he was an upgrade over Lowe, ok, you don't make an offer. But it sounds like they did. Anyway, just strikes me as odd.
 
Right, but why would they then be sort of interested? If they didn't think he was an upgrade over Lowe, ok, you don't make an offer. But it sounds like they did. Anyway, just strikes me as odd.
I think it's, "We're interested but only at a particular price." There was a report that the NEP offered an incentive-based contract which was shot down by the Robinson camp. I don't know if that is true or not.
 
I think it's, "We're interested but only at a particular price." There was a report that they NEP offered an incentive-based contract which was shot down by the Robinson camp. I don't know if that is true or not.
Oh yes, I think you're exactly right.

Where I'm coming at it from, though, is by not improving LT in free agency, they painted themselves into a corner where they have to improve it in the draft, probably in the first round. If they liked Cam well enough that it would have given them a little more flexibility in the draft, it was probably worth the extra money. So it seems weird to me that they picked this as the point where they weren't willing to overspend.
 
Oh yes, I think you're exactly right.

Where I'm coming at it from, though, is by not improving LT in free agency, they painted themselves into a corner where they have to improve it in the draft, probably in the first round. If they liked Cam well enough that it would have given them a little more flexibility in the draft, it was probably worth the extra money. So it seems weird to me that they picked this at the point where they weren't willing to overspend.
I get it. Maybe they think more highly of Lowe and the others on the roster than us.
 
Agreed, but it makes you wonder why. Either they think he's better than what they have and gives them some flexibility in the draft or they don't. I'm not sure what saving a couple of million does for them here.
I guess they did not try that hard to sign him.
They are swimming in cash. Maybe a 2 year deal on a slight overpay would have got it done.
 
I know LG was open all last year and he couldn't even take it.

When comparing LG with Center and Both Tackle positions, I thought that Mike Jordan was our 2nd-Best OLman most every week.
And was Zach Thomas ever given any kind of chance whatsoever at taking a few snaps at Left Tackle before he was suddenly waived with Jordan, only to be replaced by Lester the Molester & Another Robinson Who Sucks?
 
Oh yes, I think you're exactly right.

Where I'm coming at it from, though, is by not improving LT in free agency, they painted themselves into a corner where they have to improve it in the draft, probably in the first round. If they liked Cam well enough that it would have given them a little more flexibility in the draft, it was probably worth the extra money. So it seems weird to me that they picked this as the point where they weren't willing to overspend.
Cam Robinson must have kicked Doug Marrone's Dog. Marrone is no Dante Scar.
 
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