Brandon Spikes pokes the bear

[West Philly Patriot]

That is why its a Metro area. People living 20 minutes outside a major city largely work in that major city. To base your criteria on town lines rather than the reality of the area is ludicrous. Nothing 20 minutes from Philadelphia is rural.







Philly metro area has over 7 million residents, and the Pittsburgh metro area has almost 3 mill. THAT is the majority of the population of Pennsylvania.

And that's fine, call it whatever you like, didn't change the fact they grew up in a town devoid of diversity.
And no, not all people who live in these areas work in the city, even if they did, their upbringing and their children's still happened in an area that's 90% white.

Unless you think they are leaving that nice safe suburb to bring their children to west and north philly for soccer games.

I have already shown the metro areas outside of Pitt and Philly to be what they are. Small towns with no diversity. Doesn't matter what you call them. The numbers don't lie.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

Semantics?

You said the average white guy has no black friends and does not interact with black people on a daily basis.

It seems that we now agree that he does interact with black people on a daily basis and your argument is whether white people generally have black friends. How do you propose to prove or disprove that?





We are down to a miniscule proportion of the population and just your claim that you think they won't have black friends.





This is irrelevant to the point, which was that the average white person has no black friends and does not interact with black people on a regular basis.

I took exception to that comment, not to the totality of your opinions on race relations. If you expand the discussion to throw in something I don't disagree with it doesn't make your original point correct.





See above, you are moving the goalposts. I find it very normal that in that environment you had no white friends but I still have no idea how that fact is pertinent to demonstrating how the average white guy has no black friends and doesn't interact with black people on a consistent basis.









Once again, people are not limited to only having friends that grew up in their neighborhood, and even if that were the case, the majority of white guys do not grow up in 100% white neighborhoods.





Do you know what anecdotal means? This is the definition. A single example that you are using to try to prove a trend over an entire society. I live in a town that is 95% white and my girlfriends daughter dates a black guy. So have I now proven by that example that all of America is ensconced in interracial dating?





You just eliminated him as an example to prove your case because he has black friends.

Your being obtuse. You don't see how a white person growing up in an area that has little to no black residents, doesn't have black friends. My example is exactly the same if you "can see" how that would happen then you agree.

How do you propose to prove me wrong? You live in an area 96% white, how many of your white friends including yourself had black friends growing up? I'll wait. When did you meet one?

No, I proved my point. If my friend didn't meet a black man until college odds are everything he learned or heard about them came from a secondary sources: news, movies, music, relatives etc. he was an adult by that point, more than enough time for misconceptions to fester.

I didn't "throw" it in at all, I simply clarified my position. "Interact" was vague. The previous sentence where i used "friends with" I stand by it 100%

Based on the 95% number, I would say no, she is clearly the exception. I can guarantee most white women in your area marry white men and I would be correct.

I never said you couldn't have an out of area friend, just that it's unlikely as a youth. I disagree completely, most white men don't grow up in melting pots, while it would be nice. White people live in white neighborhoods and black people live in black neighborhoods, Hispanics in theirs etc. Your completely ignoring the facts of modern segregation the effects of gentrification etc. and this isn't hard info to find. Scroll down for philly one of the most segregated of the cities researched. My story is the norm.

Most Segregated Cities Census Maps - Business Insider

 

[Ring 6]

Your being obtuse.

Not at all.

You don't see how a white person growing up in an area that has little to no black residents, doesn't have black friends. My example is exactly the same if you "can see" how that would happen then you agree.

No, I don't see how that possibility has anything to do with showing that the average white guy has no black friends.

How do you propose to prove me wrong? You live in an area 96% white, how many of your white friends including yourself had black friends growing up? I'll wait. When did you meet one?

It really is irrelevant. My personal experience is a drop in the bucket to proving the average white guy has no black friends. Why would it matter when I made black friends, the point is that I did.

No, I proved my point. If my friend didn't meet a black man until college odds are everything he learned or heard about them came from a secondary sources: news, movies, music, relatives etc. he was an adult by that point, more than enough time for misconceptions to fester.

No your point was that the average white man has no black friends.
To prove this you pointed to a white man with black friends.

Again, I am discussing your contention that the average white guy has no black friends and does not interact with black people regularly.
You are changing the topic to try to escape that this is totally incorrect.

I didn't "throw" it in at all, I simply clarified my position. "Interact" was vague. The previous sentence where i used "friends with" I stand by it 100%

Based on the 95% number, I would say no, she is clearly the exception. I can guarantee most white women in your area marry white men and I would be correct.

That doesn't matter, because you are saying you can use one person's experience to prove a nationwide trend.
Of course this proves nothing, which is why I said it, because, therefore, your anecdotal example also proves nothing.

I never said you couldn't have an out of area friend, just that it's unlikely as a youth.

Age is not relevant to the point.

I disagree completely, most white men don't grow up in melting pots, while it would be nice. White people live in white neighborhoods and black people live in black neighborhoods, Hispanics in theirs etc.

While there are incidences of this, this is the main point you are missing. Most of America lives in Metropolitan areas, and metropolitan areas are diverse.

Your completely ignoring the facts of modern segregation the effects of gentrification etc. and this isn't hard info to find. Scroll down for philly one of the most segregated of the cities researched. My story is the norm.

You live in an integrated city. That is simply a fact.

In any event, this discussion seems to have run its course. I will step out, because I don't want it to turn contentious. Feel free to have the last word.

 

[patfanken]

Andy, West Philly, you guys really need to get a room and let the rest of us get on with our lives. This is one discussion that isn't going to get resolved in this format.

 

[Avenger]

The town I went to high school in was 96 percent white, that didn't stop me from having black friends.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy, West Philly, you guys really need to get a room and let the rest of us get on with our lives. This is one discussion that isn't going to get resolved in this format.

I'll remember to ask your permission before having a discussion in the future.

 

[RayClay]

Spikes thinks he's a comedian with his twitter. He obviously did a play on words for an Oscar winning movie.

Simple as that. He doesn't care what the content is, if he thinks it's funny.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Watch out Brandon...

Next thing you know you a "Friend of Bill's" might just head up a group of Toronto investors, buy the Bills and ship your ***** to Canada where you'll see a much higher portion of your salary lost to taxes

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

A couple of years ago he called Buffalo the plumber's butt of America, so I guess New England is still coming out ahead.

I guess he's the butt end of that joke. Karma baby!!!!

Just goes to show you that you should never write anything down that basically isn't nice as it will come back to haunt you.

 

[patfanken]

I'll remember to ask your permission before having a discussion in the future.

Well since you are asking me for permission.... I give you permission to have a sense of humor.