Brady yelling at OFF. coordinator

[robbomango]

"Unleash the Kraken" Tom Brady's new public image compliments of local media scumbag Mr wonderful himself MAZZ-A-DOUCHEBAG.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Brady blaming another player for a failed play? That just is not like him at all....

Wait, I just remembered a conversation between a coach and Quarterback about an incomplete pass I heard this year.....

BB: "What about the one to Maroney?"

TFB: "It was right in his hands!!!" (doing his best Alvin the chipmunk impersonation)

BB: "It was over his head...."

TFB: "Oh that one...."


Whether he was just yelling at Tiquan, or he was actually blaming him for the whole play I will never truly know, but this whole situation did make me think of the BB Doc.

My take. Brady was aware he didn't make the best throw or even realized that he should not have thrown it....but throw it he did. His young receiver had to be taught that he still has a responsibility regardless. Brady was clearly upset when he told him that he "had to go get it" but not unreasonably so. That didn't happen until BOB jumped all over Brady. Brady was trying to make a point and BOB's own frustration and ill-timed rant embarrassed Tom in front of a kid that needs to see Tom as a leader. BOB dressed him down in front of the team....But sh!t happens and I suspect this has been handled internally. Only jerks like Mazz want to turn this into the controversy of the decade.

 

[NEP4Life]

It is meaningless, because all that really matters is what this team does in the playoffs.

Are you optimistic?

 

[PatsWSB47]

It is meaningless, because all that really matters is what this team does in the playoffs.

Are you optimistic?

I'm cautiously so. I've learned over the past 6 years to not let myself get too comfortable...actually I'm nervous about what happens in the playoffs. I'm hoping our D turns it around like Indy's Superbowl winning team did when they stunk the regular season. I have no reason to think they will other than maybe Chung coming back healthy and Mcourtey and the new guys finally figuring it out.

 

[vyrago]

It is meaningless, because all that really matters is what this team does in the playoffs...

I am well and truly sick of this topic. Clearly Brady, BOB, bb and Tiquan are over it. Why can't the Boston sports haters like Misserotti do the same?

 

[RhodyPatriot]

My take. Brady was aware he didn't make the best throw or even realized that he should not have thrown it....but throw it he did. His young receiver had to be taught that he still has a responsibility regardless. Brady was clearly upset when he told him that he "had to go get it" but not unreasonably so. That didn't happen until BOB jumped all over Brady. Brady was trying to make a point and BOB's own frustration and ill-timed rant embarrassed Tom in front of a kid that needs to see Tom as a leader. BOB dressed him down in front of the team....But sh!t happens and I suspect this has been handled internally. Only jerks like Mazz want to turn this into the controversy of the deacade.

It's not the controversy of the decade and no one is treating it that way. What that scrum did was offer some insight and showed the whole world just how sick and tired Bill O'Brien was of Brady's endless yapping and fingerpointing at other guys on offense. If you look at that video you don't see any of the other starters on offense, not one veteran stepping in and going after OB and telling him to calm down. That's because Welker, Branch and Co. were loving every minute of it This blowup was long overdue and badly needed. Hopefully now the QB will focus on his own game before blaming everyone else for his failures
PS - just imagine the commentary on this board if that were Peyton Manning acting that way on the sidelines.

 

[NEP4Life]

If you look at that video you don't see any of the other starters on offense, not one veteran stepping in and going after OB and telling him to calm down. That's because Welker, Branch and Co. were loving every minute of it

Looking for an ESPN gig?

"They hate their quarterback."

 

[Sivy]

I dont blame Brady, or question his judgement..but just an observation..wasnt Gronk wide open in the bottom of the endzone?

 

[robbomango]

It's not the controversy of the decade and no one is treating it that way. What that scrum did was offer some insight and showed the whole world just how sick and tired Bill O'Brien was of Brady's endless yapping and fingerpointing at other guys on offense. If you look at that video you don't see any of the other starters on offense, not one veteran stepping in and going after OB and telling him to calm down. That's because Welker, Branch and Co. were loving every minute of it This blowup was long overdue and badly needed. Hopefully now the QB will focus on his own game before blaming everyone else for his failures
PS - just imagine the commentary on this board if that were Peyton Manning acting that way on the sidelines.

Mazz is that you?

peyton manning vs jeff saturday forward to 43 seconds in
Peyton Manning goes crazy [FULL CLIP] - YouTube

peyton vs donald brown during a play
Peyton Manning swears - YouTube

enjoy

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I dont blame Brady, or question his judgement..but just an observation..wasnt Gronk wide open in the bottom of the endzone?

Open is a relative term. Fans seldom consider things like throwing lanes. As I recall off the top of my head Gronk was standing at or just ahead of the goal line and had a receiver in position right behind him so a throw to him would have had to have been low and away and Gronk had struggled with his last potential reception of that variety after likely being mildly concussed (though as he has stated he will never admit those) on the uncalled helmet to helmet hit on a defenseless receiver. Bedard also stated that Light was struggling as the play unfolded to maintain his block. And there may have been other defenders in bewteen Brady and either target. Brady chose to throw over at least two problematic situations and put the ball where Tiquan was supposed to be in the back of the EZ. Problem was Tiquan had gradually drifted a little too far back and let the guy trailing him with a handful of jersey undercut him at the last second. After watching the replay multiple times the conclusion Bedard came to was had Underwood run a better route that was a TD. So calling it a bad throw or bad decision would be incorrect aside from opining that throwing to Tiquan at all is a bad decision - and that would be an unfortunate conclusion under the present circumstances... Branch was dinged and out at that point and Underwood was in as his primary backup apparently. The other candidate would be Ocho...

Rewatching the entire clip, Gronk was triple covered... Hernandez was singled closely in the right back corner of the EZ, Welker was single covered tight outside the EZ to Brady's right and Tiquan had position on his single defender in the left corner and was to break for the middle but like Bedard said didn't break sharp enough to totally lose his lone defender and then drifted allowing the defender to undercut him at the last second after Brady had released the ball in anticipation of Underwood being open and Light's rusher about to hit him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq5vJ1a4jWM&NR=1&feature=endscreen

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Open is a relative term. Fans seldom consider things like throwing lanes. As I recall off the top of my head Gronk was standing at or just ahead of the goal line and had a receiver in position right behind him so a throw to him would have had to have been low and away and Gronk had struggled with his last potential reception of that variety after likely being mildly concussed (though as he has stated he will never admit those) on the uncalled helmet to helmet hit on a defenseless receiver. Bedard also stated that Light was struggling as the play unfolded to maintain his block. And there may have been other defenders in bewteen Brady and either target. Brady chose to throw over at least two problematic situations and put the ball where Tiquan was supposed to be in the back of the EZ. Problem was Tiquan had gradually drifted a little too far back and let the guy trailing him with a handful of jersey undercut him at the last second. After watching the replay multiple times the conclusion Bedard came to was had Underwood run a better route that was a TD. So calling it a bad throw or bad decision would be incorrect aside from opining that throwing to Tiquan at all is a bad decision - and that would be an unfortunate conclusion under the present circumstances... Branch was dinged and out at that point and Underwood was in as his primary backup apparently. The other candidate would be Ocho...

Mo

I was there with a perfect line.

He wasn't open.

Don't make the throw and get the two score lead.

They argued, it's over and the Patriots won.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Mo

I was there with a perfect line.

He wasn't open.

Don't make the throw and get the two score lead.

Tom Brady Throws A Careless Interception & Then Argues With Offensive Coordinator! NFL Week 14(2011) - YouTube

 

[MoLewisrocks]

It's not the controversy of the decade and no one is treating it that way. What that scrum did was offer some insight and showed the whole world just how sick and tired Bill O'Brien was of Brady's endless yapping and fingerpointing at other guys on offense. If you look at that video you don't see any of the other starters on offense, not one veteran stepping in and going after OB and telling him to calm down. That's because Welker, Branch and Co. were loving every minute of it This blowup was long overdue and badly needed. Hopefully now the QB will focus on his own game before blaming everyone else for his failures
PS - just imagine the commentary on this board if that were Peyton Manning acting that way on the sidelines.

I looked at the video and what I saw was Welker walking past the scene before things started and then as BOB erupted Hoyer getting between him and Brady who never left his seat as a series of coaches converged on BOB to try and save him from what happened next when BB went directly to BOB and told him to shut up and then all the receivers starting with Branch huddling around Brady while BOB sat on the bench beyond them alone like he was in a time out.

But you just keep dreamin' Rhody.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Mo

I was there with a perfect line.

He wasn't open.

Don't make the throw and get the two score lead.

Tom Brady Throws A Careless Interception & Then Argues With Offensive Coordinator! NFL Week 14(2011) - YouTube

I was there.

Situational football.

Go up two scores.

Besides, I think the fustration was more a result of missing Welker the play before.

 

[robbomango]

Mo

I was there with a perfect line.

He wasn't open.

Don't make the throw and get the two score lead.

Tom Brady Throws A Careless Interception & Then Argues With Offensive Coordinator! NFL Week 14(2011) - YouTube

just watched it 10 times, agreed gronk wasn't an option and Underwood ran a worse rout than I had initially thought. It was a risky throw as well, who decided the play call TB or BOB? thats the question, plays regarding ball safety to keep the field goal option alive seemed obvious. :deadhorse:


over 600,000 hits and climing, this will be Brady's Swan song

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I was there.

Situational football.

Go up two scores.

Besides, I think the fustration was more a result of missing Welker the play before.

Doesn't matter where you were. Watch the clip and realize where they were. And remember, FG's aren't a given this season regardless of distance and Bill and Tom see 3 points in the red zone as a failure of sorts because they know with this defense our offense has to do better than settling in their limited TOP.

 

[borg]

Maybe...just maybe....

..the sideline episode came about not because of a bad pass or a bad route or a bad effort by a new WR...but because frustrations that Brady has with the teams #3 and #4 WR option crossed paths with frustrations O'Brien has with Brady's inability/unwillingness to incorporate receivers other than his Fab 4.

Brady's thought process: "See what happens when I try to trust these JAGs...it just isn't worth it"

BOB's thought process: "Great, now Brady has an excuse to further isolate the underperformers"

BOB became so agitatated because he needed Brady to know that the failure was on him. BOB needed to get the notion out of Brady's head right then and there that the failure was personel related. I think BOB was successful and he is also very lucky to have a QB return to message as Brady always does.

Regardless...clearly this episode manifested itself due to lingering issues.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

just watched it 10 times, agreed gronk wasn't an option and Underwood ran a worse rout than I had initially thought. It was a risky throw as well, who decided the play call TB or BOB? thats the question, plays regarding ball safety to keep the field goal option alive seemed obvious. :deadhorse:


over 600,000 hits and climing, this will be Brady's Swan song

That's not the question because it was clearly a pass play all the way. Woodhead was in as a blocker beside Brady in the shotgun although he didn't notice that Light missed an edge rusher and that guy was on Brady in a heartbeat and all the receivers were out in their patterns from the snap with three in single coverage against which Underwood had the best position and Gronk had three defenders positioned with 3 feet of him. They don't not run because Brady audiblizes out of them. They don't run because BOB and BB don't believe the can do so effectively consistently.

Brady's Swan song? I don't think You Tube hits will determine that... You're a strange little dude.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

Underwood ran a deep in. When he makes the inside cut, he's suppose to get inside leverage. Instead, the DB, tugged Underwood's shirt and got inside leverage.

Fault's on Underwood for allowing that. Fault's on the ref for not calling defensive holding and it's the fault of Brady for throwing a pick.

Gronk was open but he wasn't wide open. Dude has a huge wingspan and can shoulder and use his wingspan from his defender from getting the ball.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Maybe...just maybe....

..the sideline episode came about not because of a bad pass or a bad route or a bad effort by a new WR...but because frustrations that Brady has with the teams #3 and #4 WR option crossed paths with frustrations O'Brien has with Brady's inability/unwillingness to incorporate receivers other than his Fab 4.

Brady's thought process: "See what happens when I try to trust these JAGs...it just isn't worth it"

BOB's thought process: "Great, now Brady has an excuse to further isolate the underperformers"

BOB became so agitatated because he needed Brady to know that the failure was on him. BOB needed to get the notion out of Brady's head right then and there that the failure was personel related. I think BOB was successful and he is also very lucky to have a QB return to message as Brady always does.

Regardless...clearly this episode manifested itself due to lingering issues.

LOL That would just mean that like yourself BOB also doesn't understand this offense and what it is predicated on. Bill wants Tom to isolate underperformers and focus on his playmakers. He doesn't intentionally put him in the position of having to dealing with underperformers, but somehow it just keeps happening, like some recurring nightmare.

I know you folks all want Brady to throw to the open receiver. You just fail to grasp that doesn't simply entail throwing to a guy appearing open to the TV audience in isolation, because Brady is throwing with anticipation and timing to a spot where a receiver should be open based on post snap coverage and counting on them to do their job once he has. But it seems increasingly that no one on this coaching staff can teach that to a 4th or 5th WR...be he a 10 year veteran or a talented draft pick or a street FA...which is tragic since it is the foundation of the scheme Bill runs here because he is lucky enough to have a QB who can run it.