Brady yelling at OFF. coordinator

[borg]

LOL That would just mean that like yourself BOB also doesn't understand this offense and what it is predicated on. Bill wants Tom to isolate underperformers and focus on his playmakers. He doesn't intentionally put him in the position of having to dealing with underperformers, but somehow it just keeps happening, like some recurring nightmare.

I know you folks all want Brady to throw to the open receiver. You just fail to grasp that doesn't simply entail throwing to a guy appearing open to the TV audience in isolation, because Brady is throwing with anticipation and timing to a spot where a receiver should be open based on post snap coverage and counting on them to do their job once he has. But it seems increasingly that no one on this coaching staff can teach that to a 4th or 5th WR...be he a 10 year veteran or a talented draft pick or a street FA...which is tragic since it is the foundation of the scheme Bill runs here because he is lucky enough to have a QB who can run it.

The coaching staff is so horrendous that they could barely coach up a couple of TEs last year. Imagine the production our passing game would have if they could actually assimilate pass catchers into the game plan? Best slot WR and TE in the game, despite the coaching staff.....please...spare us the football 101 lesson. Belichick should maybe stop trying to fit square pegs in round holes and draft WRs that produced in college...not WRs that ran routes in a run offense (Price) or kick returners with ACL issues and hope he evolves into an NFL WR (Tate). As far as Ocho goes....the basic Bengals game plan was...run a curl, run a slant.. ..get from point A to point B. There was zero indication that Ocho EVER deciphered defenses. So you can blame the aweful coaching, I see it differently.....square pegs round holes.

 

[robbomango]

That's not the question because it was clearly a pass play all the way. Woodhead was in as a blocker beside Brady in the shotgun although he didn't notice that Light missed an edge rusher and that guy was on Brady in a heartbeat and all the receivers were out in their patterns from the snap with three in single coverage against which Underwood had the best position and Gronk had three defenders positioned with 3 feet of him. They don't not run because Brady audiblizes out of them. They don't run because BOB and BB don't believe the can do so effectively consistently.

Brady's Swan song? I don't think You Tube hits will determine that... You're a strange little dude.

These posts are like haymakers to the would be football IQ challenged in me, looked like easy points there maybe not, I'm over it. either way appreciate the breakdown thanks.

as for youtube a 1.65 billion dollar google purchase that had people scratching there heads, let's not pretend you know what it determines. the swan song reference was dumb agreed.

strange little dude?

 

[condon84]

Mo

I was there with a perfect line.

He wasn't open.

Don't make the throw and get the two score lead.

Tom Brady Throws A Careless Interception & Then Argues With Offensive Coordinator! NFL Week 14(2011) - YouTube

Underwood had a step on his defender. If Brady makes a better throw and leads him, that's a touchdown, provided Underwood catches the ball.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Doesn't matter where you were. Watch the clip and realize where they were. And remember, FG's aren't a given this season regardless of distance and Bill and Tom see 3 points in the red zone as a failure of sorts because they know with this defense our offense has to do better than settling in their limited TOP.

Mo

Who ya going to believe my eyes or the ly'in video?

The weather was perfect. There was no wind in the stadium. I know 'cause I was there.

Take your chances with a FG before that completion. It would have been about 25 yards.

The defense excuse also holds ZERO water. Look at the second half.

Seven points on an official assisted drive in the second half.

The reality is once the first quarter fiasco was over, Washington scored 10 official assisted points.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Mo

Who ya going to believe my eyes or the ly'in video?

The weather was perfect. There was no wind in the stadium. I know 'cause I was there.

Take your chances with a FG before that completion. It would have been about 25 yards.

The defense excuse also holds ZERO water. Look at the second half.

Seven points on an official assisted drive in the second half.

The reality is once the first quarter fiasco was over, Washington scored 10 official assisted points.

Bill trusts and defers to the tape for a reason...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Underwood had a step on his defender. If Brady makes a better throw and leads him, that's a touchdown, provided Underwood catches the ball.

He did when Brady released the ball. Then he lost it by drifting deeper and compounded that jumping prematurely all of which allowed the defender to undercut him.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Bill trusts and defers to the tape for a reason...

Probably a reason Brady admits it was a poor decision.

 

[Dessalines]

1. Brady made a bad throw. I'm not even sure that Underwood was the
target, as their were two recievers underneath and the ball may have
sailed.

2. O'Brien needed to act more like a coach and less like some guy off the
street.

3. Bad call. Why are we throwing it in that situation? Run the damn ball.
If we don't get the TD we put it away with the FG. Bad call, though I
suspect the argument had nothing to do with the call.

4. It's over and only the media and some fans care now.

5. On to the circus in Denver.

 

[condon84]

He did when Brady released the ball. Then he lost it by drifting deeper and compounded that jumping prematurely all of which allowed the defender to undercut him.

It looked to me that once Brady released the ball, Ti read it's trajectory and slowed down a bit knowing that the ball was not too far in front of him. He made the mistake of waiting for the ball instead of going after it. However, had Brady thrown it further in front of Ti to the point that Ti didn't have to slow down, Ti would have kept his speed fast enough to keep his full step in front of his defender.

It just looked like a bad throw by Brady. Ti could have done more but Brady IMO assumes more responsibility for that INT.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The coaching staff is so horrendous that they could barely coach up a couple of TEs last year. Imagine the production our passing game would have if they could actually assimilate pass catchers into the game plan? Best slot WR and TE in the game, despite the coaching staff.....please...spare us the football 101 lesson. Belichick should maybe stop trying to fit square pegs in round holes and draft WRs that produced in college...not WRs that ran routes in a run offense (Price) or kick returners with ACL issues and hope he evolves into an NFL WR (Tate). As far as Ocho goes....the basic Bengals game plan was...run a curl, run a slant.. ..get from point A to point B. There was zero indication that Ocho EVER deciphered defenses. So you can blame the aweful coaching, I see it differently.....square pegs round holes.

You know who our TE's position coach was in 2010 genius?? We didn't have one. You know who he is this season? One of Kirk Ferentz kids who played OL for his dad at Iowa for 5 years and then bounced around for 2 as an UDFA who never caught on before becoming a coaching assistant/ST here three years ago. Brady coached up the TE's and he continues to. Just ask them. Ask the WR's who defacto coaches them, too. Be they round pegs or square ones...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

1. Brady made a bad throw. I'm not even sure that Underwood was the
target, as their were two recievers underneath and the ball may have
sailed.

2. O'Brien needed to act more like a coach and less like some guy off the
street.

3. Bad call. Why are we throwing it in that situation? Run the damn ball.
If we don't get the TD we put it away with the FG. Bad call, though I
suspect the argument had nothing to do with the call.

4. It's over and only the media and some fans care now.

5. On to the circus in Denver.

If you watched the throw and aren't sure who the target was I'm not sure what to tell you...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Probably a reason Brady admits it was a poor decision.

In the final analysis it was a poor decision based on who the WR was. But Brady's options are kind of limited in that case since that's not his decision. And he was trying to coach the bad decision up in the immediate aftermath when BOB butted in.

 

[PatsWSB47]

In the final analysis it was a poor decision based on who the WR was. But Brady's options are kind of limited in that case since that's not his decision. And he was trying to coach the bad decision up in the immediate aftermath when BOB butted in.

That's been my contention all along. BOB was acting like a spouse criticizing you just when you were trying to teach your kid something. Do that enough and your kid won't ever listen to you.

 

[robbomango]

1. Brady made a bad throw. I'm not even sure that Underwood was the
target, as their were two recievers underneath and the ball may have
sailed.

2. O'Brien needed to act more like a coach and less like some guy off the
street.

3. Bad call. Why are we throwing it in that situation? Run the damn ball.
If we don't get the TD we put it away with the FG. Bad call, though I
suspect the argument had nothing to do with the call.

4. It's over and only the media and some fans care now.

5. On to the circus in Denver.

Keeping the ball in the most trust worthy players hands(TB) was possibly the thinking, a pass play aloud TB the option to throw it away if needed. Tiquan's rout went from good to bad in a blink, seemed like TB was in release mode at that point. looked like a play designed to opt out of, sailing it over the receivers head out of the endzone if needed.

There's a method to the madness I know some people don't believe that but it's a true. BB doesn't play fluke football, they're not running for a reason. the fact that we don't know why is moot IMO.

 

[PrairiePat]

In the final analysis it was a poor decision based on who the WR was. But Brady's options are kind of limited in that case since that's not his decision. And he was trying to coach the bad decision up in the immediate aftermath when BOB butted in.

Yeah, heaven forbid the OC should chew out his QB when he makes a boneheaded play.

The -best- case scenario for that ball was that TU would have gotten in front of the defender to screen him from the ball, because it was clearly thrown where the defender was able to get to it. Maybe a more experienced receiver contests that ball more, maybe not - remember, the defender also got away with a nice jersey pull to help himself into better position.

It was a lousy pass in an important spot in the game - TB's made a few of them over the years, and we're probably lucky we saw this in game 13 instead of game 17 or later. Having BoB get in his face about careless throws in the red zone is a GOOD THING.

The media circus surrounding it, not so much

 

[E1Downey]

Just got home from work and am so glad to see this is still being analyzed and argued about.........NOT!!!!!!!

 

[NEP4Life]

Is there video when Belichick gets in the mix?

EDIT

Found it

VIDEO: Tom Brady, Bill O'Brien argue on sideline - CBSSports.com

BB pretty clearly says "Sit down and shut up!" to O'Brien.

I kind of feel bad for BoB, because I don't think he's respected in that organization.

I agree with others who have said that the dust-up occurred in the context of past friction between Brady (and BB?) and BoB about receivers, playcalling and the offense in general. BoB's reaction is not a response to a one-time incident.

 

[everlong]

I understand why it's news nationally because they love this type of soap opera crap but why is it still news here? On America's Game Charlie and Tom yelling at each other was featured. Charlie and Josh got into it. Their fierce competitors, big deal.

 

[NEP4Life]

If the Pats go on a playoff run, it'll be completely forgotten.

If they're one and done again, it'll be one of many anomalies the media focuses on to try to create a narrative explaining how the Pats could have lost the ability to win in the playoffs.

 

[mb6592]

Underwood f---ed it up so bad, I can't believe people are debating this. If he ran the proper route he makes the catch or at the bear minimum the defender has to get a hand in to strip the ball away. Then, to compound matters, he doesn't even try to play defender and break up the interception. I mean, ACT LIKE YOU GIVE A CRAP & BREAK UP THE F---ING INTERCEPTION.

If you wanted an example of why he hasn't played much in the three years he's been in the league, you need look no further.