Brady will eventually hold the most consecutive games with a TD

[Patsfanin Philly]

The 5 picks by brees is the more amazing thing

His QB rating for 2012 went from 98.7 to 92.1 in one game.......3/4 of the way through the season.....

 

[pazrul72]

Playoffs don't count in regular season streaks.

It is still a game played. The poster I was responding to wants to put more conditions on a stat that already has some poor conditions. IMO if you play a game, any game, for that streak to matter you have to throw a td. That's why the 2004 win streak was more impressive to me then the 2007 one.

 

[Deus Irae]

It is still a game played. The poster I was responding to wants to put more conditions on a stat that already has some poor conditions. IMO if you play a game, any game, for that streak to matter you have to throw a td. That's why the 2004 win streak was more impressive to me then the 2007 one.

Not counting a consecutive [highlight]regular season[/highlight] game streak because someone misses a [highlight]regular season[/highlight] game is different from not counting a [highlight]regular season[/highlight] game streak because of what happens in a playoff game. This is true in all four of the the major American sports.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Jeezuz, could you be any smaller?

Thank you for the insightful reply to my comment on an issue that is frequently discussed by reasonably intelligent and informed people with valid arguments on all sides.

Is a streak a "streak" if someone misses a game or games in the middle thereof?

Or, is an essential element of a streak lacing them up and doing the job week after week and dealing with the possibility that this opponent on this day might stop you? Personally, I think there's a lot to be said for that argument, but others see it differently; unfortunately you have done nothing to advance the discussion.

Should post-season games be included in a "streak?" (This has been pretty well settled in the NFL and MLB and I think rightly so, but there are good points to be made on behalf of that perspective.)

Is the media focus on the Brees streak a function of Brees' own self-promotion, as has been well-argued by some? (I disagree, but they make valid points.)

Should we even be talking about personal records when the ultimate objective is winning games and Championships? In general, I don't think so, but as I have observed elsewhere in this thread, I believe that this is a unique record that holds a unique place in the history of the NFL.

All of those are legitimate issues and I, for one, would halve welcomed intelligent discussion and, yes, disagreement on any one of them from you.

But you resort to a personal attack ("smaller") and at what I imagine you define as an attempt at "cleverness" in your spelling of "Jeezuz" (suggestion: leave the attempts at cleverness to your Avatar's creator, he's much better at it).

It's comments like your's that have kept me coming back to this board time and time again for seven years now.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Not a record I really admire to be honest. I was always ho-hum about it when the media beat it into the ground with Brees.

It's all about championships. Although the Single Season 50 TD is quite epic.

 

[pazrul72]

Not counting a consecutive [highlight]regular season[/highlight] game streak because someone misses a [highlight]regular season[/highlight] game is different from not counting a [highlight]regular season[/highlight] game streak because of what happens in a playoff game. This is true in all four of the the major American sports.

I understand the way it works it is just IMO a dumb way of doing it, it takes away some of the shine when you have to add so many qualifiers. I do not want to hear about records where QB A has thrown 576 consecutive passes without a pick against teams from the NFC West on days over 75 degrees when they had a star player injured. Now that doesn't mean I won't be happy as hell if Brady breaks Brees's record as I want Brady to have every record possible in the GOAT argument, but it is one of the lesser records to me. Unitas was far more impressive then Brees or Brady to me.

 

[Deus Irae]

I understand the way it works it is just IMO a dumb way of doing it, it takes away some of the shine when you have to add so many qualifiers. I do not want to hear about records where QB A has thrown 576 consecutive passes without a pick against teams from the NFC West on days over 75 degrees when they had a star player injured. Now that doesn't mean I won't be happy as hell if Brady breaks Brees's record as I want Brady to have every record possible in the GOAT argument, but it is one of the lesser records to me. Unitas was far more impressive then Brees or Brady to me.

When you count playoff games, you make seasons and careers unbalanced, giving some teams and players more games than others.

 

[pazrul72]

When you count playoff games, you make seasons and careers unbalanced, giving some teams and players more games than others.

Games they have earned by being superior. I am ok with adding those numbers because they more accurately reflect the true career.

 

[Dutchmaster617]

Great. Now if Brady throws 0 TDs and we lose this weekend, we'll know where the bad karma came from. This thread is premature.

We are playing the Dolphins, relax.

 

[Deus Irae]

Games they have earned by being superior. I am ok with adding those numbers because they more accurately reflect the true career.

Do you not grasp how this stuff works in general, or do you just not care about the implications? A season is X number of games long (X is currently 16). If you count playoffs, some teams will play X number of games, and others will play X+ number of games. That would mean that the running backs for the Super Bowl teams would have up to 4 more games to pad their stats. A running back who ran for 1600 yards in 16 games would lose the rushing title to a running back who ran for 1601 yards in 20 games.

 

[pazrul72]

Do you not grasp how this stuff works in general, or do you just not care about the implications? A season is X number of games long (X is currently 16). If you count playoffs, some teams will play X number of games, and others will play X+ number of games. That would mean that the running backs for the Super Bowl teams would have up to 4 more games to pad their stats. A running back who ran for 1600 yards in 16 games would lose the rushing title to a running back who ran for 1601 yards in 20 games.

As I have said I understand the way it works just fine, I disagree with it. The second running back earned the extra games by being on a better team so yes I would be ok with him earning the rushing title. I can see the counter argument raised in your example I just disagree with it. At the end of the day, by stats alone which can lie, running back two was more valuable.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

As I have said I understand the way it works just fine, I disagree with it. The second running back earned the extra games by being on a better team so yes I would be ok with him earning the rushing title. I can see the counter argument raised in your example I just disagree with it. At the end of the day, by stats alone which can lie, running back two was more valuable.

That's a reasonably stated argument; I just disagree with it.

The biggest prizes of all, Conference Championships, the Lombardi trophy and a Super Bowl ring recognize participation in the accomplishment of a team in the post season.

Personal records should be handed out on an equal footing for what a player does, or did, during 16 or 14 or 12 games; the players who are fortunate enough to be on Championship teams get the trophies and rings. Many excellent players, either as a result of bad luck or poor personnel management, never get the chance to win an SB or, at times, even play in the post season. Penalizing them for something that was to a great extent outside of their control is just not fair.

Here are just five players who never even "got their team" to a Super Bowl. Which of them would you kick off your team? Which would you boot out of Canton?

Barry Sanders
Deacon Jones
Cris Carter
Earl Campbell
Erik ****erson

 

[Deus Irae]

As I have said I understand the way it works just fine, I disagree with it. The second running back earned the extra games by being on a better team so yes I would be ok with him earning the rushing title. I can see the counter argument raised in your example I just disagree with it. At the end of the day, by stats alone which can lie, running back two was more valuable.

The second running back didn't earn extra games. The team he's on won enough games to make the playoffs, while the team the first running back is on did not. Your "earned" claim is simply not valid.

Be that as it may, you're arguing for a non-level playing field. That's precisely what leagues, correctly IMO, are trying to avoid.

 

[pazrul72]

I would not kick any of them off my team or out of canton, their stats support their dominance and they deserve every bit of the accolades they got. Superbowls are not everything and it annoys me when players are judged as if they solely won them. For example who is the better QB Marino or Bradshaw? I would take Marino 11 out of 10 times despite Bradshaw having more games to put up stats.

The problem is we are arguing two different types of records. The RB who gets more yards over 20 games is a good example. Before Thursday Stafford was the best QB in the league based on yards. After Thursday both Bree's and Ryan had passed him. So your argument for those kind of records is more understandable and valid. For the streak kind of records what does it matter whether it is a playoff game or a regular season game? A game played is a game played and both players have the same opportunity to accomplish the same task. In this case they both have 60 minutes to throw a TD why should it matter that it was against better competition? That actually makes it more impressive IMO.

 

[Avenger]

In college they count bowl games and conference championships

 

[YearbookCurfew]

I don't care if he gets the consecutive TD record. I'd much rather see him win a SB. Brees seems to care too much about records and himself than about the team. Brady is a team player.

 

[brdmaverick]

If my memory serves me correctly, Brady's last game came under the most unlikliest circumstances.

2007 vs. NYJ

Brady in the middle of a record setting season for touchdown passes. Pats offense virtually unstoppable. First meeting between Pats and Jets following SPYGATE uncovering.

Many were predicting an absolute destruction, 70 points even. The reality is that Brady didn't even throw a TD in this game.

THerefore, it should never be considered a sure thing.

 

[pazrul72]

If my memory serves me correctly, Brady's last game came under the most unlikliest circumstances.

2007 vs. NYJ

Brady in the middle of a record setting season for touchdown passes. Pats offense virtually unstoppable. First meeting between Pats and Jets following SPYGATE uncovering.

Many were predicting an absolute destruction, 70 points even. The reality is that Brady didn't even throw a TD in this game.

THerefore, it should never be considered a sure thing.

I saw somewhere that it has been since 09 against the saints. Remember when they destroyed the pats on national tv? Actually I have tried to forget that game too