Brady vs Aikman

[BradyisGod]

Re: Brady vs. Aikmen

Yeah, that's why Tommy Boy has a 15 million dollar cap hit this season, which may be the highest in the history of football, while Peyton has a 10 million dollar cap hit allowing for, say, the signing of a Vinatieri.




Yeah, but the true greats can actually win and flourish in that situation by carrying their teams and making the playoffs, others end up playing .500 football.




Joe Montana was a great QB. Tom Brady is a good QB.



Did you watch your team play last year? Have you been paying attention to your offseason? Why do you think it's just going to be like magic for the Patriots to win more Superbowls?



Brady=clutch=myth. Brady's career postseason rating is 89.4, Peyton's is 89.3. Brady built his clutch legend by setting up a nearly 50 yard FG for Vinatieri and setting up another FG when the ball was kicked out of bounds and the Patriots started on the 40. Nothing spectacular really... Without Vinatieri, not much at all...



If Brady can develop into a truly great QB like Montana did the second half of his career and shows that he can carry a team beyond the "all he does is wins" Terry Bradshaw type argument, then I will call him a true great. Until then, his plaque resides in the game managers/I won because of my defense wing. :

Why are you even here?

Throwing 12 straight completions in a driving snowstorm when your team is down 10 points isn't clutch?

Calmly moving your team about 50 yards in 1:17 isn't clutch?

Being like 8-0 or something in overtime isn't clutch?

I think the truth is actually:

Yanks/Colts = has a brain = myth

or Yanks/Colts = has an inferiority complex = fact

The problem is Both fan bases have blind devotion to their quarterback.

The issue for Indi fans is that theyr QB has never given them reason to have it.

 

[PYPER]

Re: Brady vs. Aikmen

Yeah, but the true greats can actually win and flourish in that situation by carrying their teams and making the playoffs, others end up playing .500 football.

Brady had been in the league for six years and he's been a starter for five. He's won THREE Super Bowls in that brief time period. He's never gone consecutive seasons without winning at least one Super Bowl.

In his two non-Super Bowl winning seasons he's led the Patriots to a 19-12 record (he doesn't get a decision for last season's 2nd Miami game) and one division title.

Interestingly enough, in the 2002 season that you seem to be focusing your criticism on, the Patriots finished tied for first place but lost out on a tie breaker that was being used for the first time in league history. Every team in the AFC East that year finished .500 or above and the tie-breaker Champion New York Jets went on to beat your beloved Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts 41-0 in the playoffs.

41 to 0. FORTY ONE TO NOTHING!!!!

It's entirely possible that the 2002 Colts would have been just as mediocre as the 6-10 2001 Colts if they hadn't lucked out and gotten out of the formerly powerful AFC East division.

Speaking of the 2001 Colts.....Weren't they a joy to watch. Two of my favorite games in the last five years were the Patriots 44-13 and 38-17 wins against the Colts that year. Then again, Pats fans tend to enjoy just about every Colts game.

Joe Montana was a great QB. Tom Brady is a good QB.

Their careers have been eerily similar to this point. Both statistically and in terms of winning and in their ability to elevate their games in the clutch. The main difference it that Brady is ahead of Montana's pace.

Did you watch your team play last year?

Yes, I saw a team that was absolutely devastated by injury who then managed to fight back and by season's end may very well have been the very best team in the league. Unfortunately, things didn't go their way against Denver and the nation lost out on another Steelers/Patriots AFC Championship game that would have truly been a game for the ages.

Have you been paying attention to your offseason? Why do you think it's just going to be like magic for the Patriots to win more Superbowls?

I know it may seem like magic but it's really not. Whenever you've got the game's very best QB and the game's very best coach and personnel man, you've got a very good shot. I'm not going to guarantee you that the Patriots will win the Super Bowl this year but I can guarantee you that this team isn't done winning Super Bowls.

Surely you must see the difference in the personalities of your Colts team and the recent Patriots. The Patriots have a King's heart and an iron will. The more difficult the challenge, the harder they push forward. They're a truly special team. A team for the ages.

The Colts meanwhile, are best exemplified by the characters from the Wizard of Oz. They've got no heart, no soul, and no courage. When the going gets tough, the Colts start folding.

As a Colts fan, how can you argue with that? I would think that would be the most frustrating thing about being a Colts fan.

Brady=clutch=myth. Brady's career postseason rating is 89.4, Peyton's is 89.3. Brady built his clutch legend by setting up a nearly 50 yard FG for Vinatieri and setting up another FG when the ball was kicked out of bounds and the Patriots started on the 40. Nothing spectacular really... Without Vinatieri, not much at all...

Great example of how stats can lie. I wonder what Peyton's postseason rating is when he's not playing Denver.

As for the FG comments, it should be noted that Brady put the team in position where they only needed a FG to win. That's such a foolishly shallow perspective.

The stat I love came from that site, football outsiders, I think. Or maybe it was the Cold Hard Football Facts. Anyhow, it broke down Brady's and Manning's stats based on situations. It turns out that when Brady is tied or trailing by a TD or less, his rating is almost 30 points higher than normal.

Not surprisingly, Mannings rating is significantly worse ithan his overall rating in those same situations.

Not surprisingly part II, Manning's rating is 20 points higher than normal in situations where he's up by 2 TD's or more.

Does that not break down the difference between Brady and Manning perfectly? One guy elevates his performance in the clutch and the other boosts his stats by piling on overmatched opponents.



:rocker: :singing:

 

[Yankees/Colts]

Re: Brady vs. Aikmen

Their careers have been eerily similar to this point. Both statistically and in terms of winning and in their ability to elevate their games in the clutch. The main difference it that Brady is ahead of Montana's pace.

Yeah, and Montana was merely above average to this point, so what does that prove? He only became a great QB the second half of his career. By making this comparison, you are in essence giving Brady credit for all the things Montana did in the 2nd half of his career of which Brady has yet to do. You can't make this comparison unless Brady goes on to put together true MVP caliber seasons and puts up some of the numbers Montana did, 100+ QB ratings, etc.(112 rating one season, I believe)

Tommy Boy doesn't have it in him IMO.

Yes, I saw a team that was absolutely devastated by injury who then managed to fight back and by season's end may very well have been the very best team in the league.

:rocker: I guess that's one way to spin it. I saw a mediocre team beaten down by virtually every good team it played, one which only made the playoffs because of its pathetic division and easy 2nd half schedule. Yeah, your secondary looked okay playing all the junior varsity QBs in the second half. Practically every competent QB who played the Patriots embarrassed them.

Great example of how stats can lie. I wonder what Peyton's postseason rating is when he's not playing Denver.

:rocker: Yeah, because Denver is so easy to torch, just ask Brady and the Patriots.

Subtract Brady's two best post season performances and his other numbers look mediocre.

As for the FG comments, it should be noted that Brady put the team in position where they only needed a FG to win. That's such a foolishly shallow perspective.

A nearly 50 yarder? Starting on the 40?

And Brady didn't kick them himself - Colt legend Adam Vinatieri did. :rocker:

The stat I love came from that site, football outsiders, I think. Or maybe it was the Cold Hard Football Facts. Anyhow, it broke down Brady's and Manning's stats based on situations. It turns out that when Brady is tied or trailing by a TD or less, his rating is almost 30 points higher than normal.

Not surprisingly, Mannings rating is significantly worse ithan his overall rating in those same situations.

Not surprisingly part II, Manning's rating is 20 points higher than normal in situations where he's up by 2 TD's or more.

Does that not break down the difference between Brady and Manning perfectly? One guy elevates his performance in the clutch and the other boosts his stats by piling on overmatched opponents.

Post whatever you are referencing. :singing:

As for this, weren't you the same guy just making excuses for Brady's performances a few posts back because the defenses were top ranked?

 

[SCPatBoy]

Re: Brady vs. Aikmen

Yeah, that's why Tommy Boy has a 15 million dollar cap hit this season, which may be the highest in the history of football, while Peyton has a 10 million dollar cap hit allowing for, say, the signing of a Vinatieri.




Yeah, but the true greats can actually win and flourish in that situation by carrying their teams and making the playoffs, others end up playing .500 football.




Joe Montana was a great QB. Tom Brady is a good QB.



Did you watch your team play last year? Have you been paying attention to your offseason? Why do you think it's just going to be like magic for the Patriots to win more Superbowls?



Brady=clutch=myth. Brady's career postseason rating is 89.4, Peyton's is 89.3. Brady built his clutch legend by setting up a nearly 50 yard FG for Vinatieri and setting up another FG when the ball was kicked out of bounds and the Patriots started on the 40. Nothing spectacular really... Without Vinatieri, not much at all...



If Brady can develop into a truly great QB like Montana did the second half of his career and shows that he can carry a team beyond the "all he does is wins" Terry Bradshaw type argument, then I will call him a true great. Until then, his plaque resides in the game managers/I won because of my defense wing. :rocker: :singing:

Get your facts straight. Brady Postseason QB rating=89.7 Manning=88.5.......And that in no way shape or form tells the whole story. Number 1 if you compare Mannings first 5 years as a starter against Brady's first 5 as a starter....Brady has a higher regular season QB rating. Number 2 Brady OWNS Manning head to head......I can list stats but I'm sure you would know how to research that. Number 3 is that even after Manning has had his two strongest seasons as a Pro (7th &8th ) year...His career regular season QB rating is only 5 points above Brady's (93.5 to 88.5), pretty close. Now to the heart of the matter...or what really matters.......Brady is 3-0 in AFC Championship games.........Brady is 3-0 in Super Bowl's......Brady has lost 1 postseason game to date in his career. Now we all know what Manning's records are in these categories......So in reality the numbers tell us that right now Brady and Manning are very comparative Regular Season QB's.............And everything else tells us that there is a huge Gap in there PostSeason accomplishments and no comparison.......So it's pretty clear where they rank in regards to eachother............I mean seriously I thought even most Colt Fans would have begun to back off there ridiculous praise of Manning after his latest PostSeason letdown....I can honestly say if the shoe was on the other foot(Brady constantly choked in Big Games and Manning was Bradyesque in the PostSeason) I wouldn't evven think about trying to argue that my guy is better...It simply defies Logic!

 

[Dragda]

Re: Brady vs. Aikmen

Well Done! What will be the next thread for this Cowgirl newbie troll? Switzer vs BB?

Always wipe your Barry after taking a Switzer.

If the world starts to mock your lack of intelligence, carry a loaded hand gun through an airport security checkpoint.

Laugh like Cooter from the Dukes of Hazzard during press conferences.

Curse the damn liberal gun laws that prohibit you from firing your weapon overhead in the city limits. That's clearly a violation of our right to free speech.

Barry, where are ye now. We be missin' thee. Nothing was finer than to see the Dallas Cowboys embarrassed by this clown repeatedly.