Boycott Tomase WEEI

[sb1]

BB ignored a memo about camera placement on the sidelines which wasn't a "rule" and Spygate was born.

He interpreted "used during the game" literally to mean the Pats might have been able to tape from where they did.

As others have said, if he had a do-over I'm sure he would call the league to check first.

 

[Froob]

None of us has seen a single shred of evidence that the Patriots taped the Rams' walkthrough. None.

That was all just a total hit job. And we know now that Spygate was the impetus for Deflategate.

To everyone else in the league (including most fan bases), Deflategate was just another example of the Patriots' cheating culture.

But when you really stop and look at it, as objectively as you can, you realize that:

(1) The Patriots DID violate the rules about taping. They did. Not all of their taping was against the rules, but enough of it was that it warranted a punishment, IMO. Not the ridiculous punishment they actually received, but SOME punishment.

(2) The sense from other owners was that this taping really was crucial to the Patriots' success, and they DID see it as a form of cheating. So they were livid when Goodell destroyed the tapes, because they felt like it was a much bigger deal than maybe it was made out to be. Of course, I think jealousy of the Patriots and hatred of Belichick was a factor there.

(3) The Rams' walkthrough story was devastating because it came after the Patriots had received their penalty. And everyone felt like, WHOA WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT THE #$!!@#! HAPPENED??? And thus the idea was that the penalty was way too light. The retraction was completely irrelevant because, like with the 11 of 12 balls 2 psi and under meme, this narrative just had rocket fuel. And it immediately became a permanent part of the story. Nearly EVERYONE thinks that the Patriots did this.

(4) So when we get to Deflategate, it's just another example of the Patriots cheating. And so even though there really was no evidence the Pats did anything wrong, the other owners, still stung by what they felt was a too-small penalty for Spygate (even though it was, to that point in time, the biggest penalty ever levied). So there was a real serious push to absolutely freaking NAIL the Patriots to the wall for Deflategate.

So Deflategate was really a penalty for Spygate, which was really, when it's all boiled down, a league-wide frustration over the lack of a penalty for the Patriots taping the Rams' SB walkthrough.

Which, of course..... NEVER FREAKING HAPPENED.

It's all so frustrating. And then Deflategate is used as evidence of the Pats' "cheating culture" which helps proved that they probably DID tape the Rams' walkthrough. It's all circular, and it's all based on things which DID NOT HAPPEN. Either taping the Rams' walkthrough or deflating footballs.

It's insane. Completely insane.

There's actually far more reason to believe the Rams spied on the Patriots walkthrough

Who was spying on the Patriots?

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

You couldn't pay me to listen to sports radio, I mean any of it. Gave that up long ago.

 

[sb1]

There's actually far more reason to believe the Rams spied on the Patriots walkthrough

Who was spying on the Patriots?

Yep.

The interesting thing about that is the "league officials" saw it and did nothing.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Tomase's fake story probably led goondell to be tough on the pats for deflategate. After all, this story came out after the original spygate punishment. What a fat slob.

 

[AtomicDawg]

I was listening to T N T Tomasshole and Trini **** heads on WEEI on Saturday.. I woke up and the radio was on.. and they were like oh... people want to talk about the Patriots... it was like torture for them to talk about the Pats.. Are these 2 ****s seriously demented? Firstly to you T n T the Pats are the #1 sports franchise in New England... 2.) Its Playoff time 3.) There was a regular season game on the next day 4.) **** off

I could see if it was like March or April and they didn't feel like talking about the Pats... but its the middle of the NFL season and they were basically *****ing and complaining that people wanted to talk about the Pats.. I honestly cant ****ing believe it, they are on Boston Sports talk Radio and they dont want to talk about the Pats.. heading into the NFL playoffs.. wow advice, Go get another JOB! You SUCK!

Sorry I cant stand them

Awesome rant.

We know John Tomasi has nothing in the way of credibility, but listening to that idiotic Trenni lady demagoguing about the league and concussions and throwing out the "it's like Big Tobacco" spiel one day was insulting to people's intelligence. Florio talked about this exact thing one day:

NFL doctor says CTE is being “over-exaggerated”

And finally she and Tomasi need to consult Thornton, who's actually coached youth football. Both of them are CLUELESS on this and many other football subjects but EEI could give a rat's tail.

 

[Tony2046]

He interpreted "used during the game" literally to mean the Pats might have been able to tape from where they did.

As others have said, if he had a do-over I'm sure he would call the league to check first.

Sure but my main point was that it wasn't illegal to tape signals.

From Gamepass:

 

[ivanvamp]

What is that picture supposed to be showing us?

 

[Tony2046]

We know John Tomasi has nothing in the way of credibility, but listening to that idiotic Trenni lady

I thought you were calling Tomassi a Tranny. hahahaha

 

[The Brandon Five]

It wasn't about the taping it was about camera placement. In fact the Jets could have legally taped the Patriots signals during the same game and probably did.

In the old Jet stadium the camera booths were located on the opposite side of the Patriots sideline so it would have been impossible for BB to have a camera located with the same filming advantage as the jets had during that game.

BB ignored a memo about camera placement on the sidelines which wasn't a "rule" and Spygate was born.

Taping the opposing team's sidelines still may be legal today. Not sure how helpful it would be trying to memorize hand signals though.

They like to say that deflategate was a makeup call for spygate but both should have been frivolous in house type issues but the Puppet and a few of his owners decided to take the Pats down a notch.

There isn't as much need for defensive signals now because now the defense has its own helmet communications just like the offense.

NFL installs new coach-to-defense communications system

Since that change was made the Patriots have won 18 more games than any other team (NE 118, GB 100). I wish the league had taken away this huge "advantage" sooner.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

What is that picture supposed to be showing us?

The Dolphins coaches signalling players. The point @Tony2046 was making is that this stuff is available to the world. The NFL itself is filming their own coaches and making it public.

 

[The Gr8est]

He interpreted "used during the game" literally to mean the Pats might have been able to tape from where they did.

As others have said, if he had a do-over I'm sure he would call the league to check first.

I still think BB's interpretation of the rule was defensible, otherwise why is the phrase "used during the game" there at all?

I distinctly remember Goodell saying that he didn't believe BB's explanation, while Goodell DID believe Rex Ryan's and Mike Westhoff's explanation that they were not aware of the coaches lining up in a gauntlet on their sidelines in the Tripgate investigation.

Interestingly, Mike Westhoff's defense was "the Pats do it too", so apparently he was able to recognize an identical activity on another team's sidelines while being completely unaware of it happening on the sidelines of the team he actually coaches.

So it all came down to selective enforcement of these two issues, based on the subjective viewpoint of a highly biased arbiter.

 

[AtomicDawg]

I thought you were calling Tomassi a Tranny. hahahaha

Insulting to Trannies. They keep themselves fit.

 

[Tony2046]

What is that picture supposed to be showing us?

Coaches on the sideline. That picture is a snippet from the gameday footage the NFL releases to the public on Gamepass. If it was illegal to tape signals, which it isn't, they would not have coaches on released game day footage signalling.

 

[ivanvamp]

The Dolphins coaches signalling players. The point @Tony2046 was making is that this stuff is available to the world. The NFL itself is filming their own coaches and making it public.

Yes, ok. I thought that maybe he was trying to show us a picture of Miami taping the Pats from across the field or something.

Coaches on the sideline. That picture is a snippet from the gameday footage the NFL releases to the public on Gamepass. If it was illegal to tape signals, which it isn't, they would not have coaches on released game day footage signalling.

Yep, makes sense, thanks. It really is crazy. I mean, BB made this point during his press conference before the Super Bowl when this came up and he FINALLY said something about it. He's like, the coaches are doing this in plain view of 70,000 people and millions more on television. We weren't hiding the fact that we were taping. It was all out in the open.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

He interpreted "used during the game" literally to mean the Pats might have been able to tape from where they did.

As others have said, if he had a do-over I'm sure he would call the league to check first.

Unfortunately, I think Bill's personality hurt him here. He's all business and doesn't care for making friends in the league. So when he explained his interpretation of the rule to the owners, no one believed him. He comes across as Darth Vader. If it were Jeff Fisher, an absolute idiot but who's well liked around the league, people would believe him. That's why Fisher's on the competition committee and Bill is not.

 

[AtomicDawg]

BTW, I use this pic in every "discussion" I have in regards to Spygate:

 

[Tony2046]

Yes, ok. I thought that maybe he was trying to show us a picture of Miami taping the Pats from across the field or something.



Yep, makes sense, thanks. It really is crazy. I mean, BB made this point during his press conference before the Super Bowl when this came up and he FINALLY said something about it. He's like, the coaches are doing this in plain view of 70,000 people and millions more on television. We weren't hiding the fact that we were taping. It was all out in the open.

I'll bet the Jets still have tapes of Pats signals from the same game BB and Pats got busted for.

I would love someone to ask Mangini that question one day. He seems apologetic enough to answer it honestly.

 

[Tony2046]

BTW, I use this pic in every "discussion" I have in regards to Spygate:

AND when the filming booths are only located on one side of the field the team on the opposite side of the field doesn't have the same filming luxury as the home team.

 

[DaBruinz]

Sorry, as noted above I only follow these things loosely.......did something recently come up and that is why it is being discussed again?

I don't see the date on the newspaper but I see a mention of Beckett so clearly this isn't today's paper.

As mentioned, the allegations about the Patriots taping the Rams walk-through has come up on a couple of occasions recently.

That's why the OP put up the pictures of the Herald.. To show that they had apologized as they were wrong.

And as Ivan mentioned, many owners believed it to be the case even though the tapes that the league got from Matt Walsh proved to have nothing on them..

As for Tomase. That POG was a reporter for the Lawrence Eagle Tribune and he sucked then. I was so glad when he left.. but when I found out he went to the Herald, I swore off reading them..