There was no doubt Moss was "sulking" on the bench in the Carolina game when Brady was talking to him.
hate to burst your bubble, but there's absolutely no way that you can tell how players relate to each other based on a couple of short clips that you see on TV. The sideline is a heated environment, and if you asked Brady or Welker, for example, I'm sure they had confrontations there too that the TV didn't (or maybe did) pick up. As did Belichick and Brady, Welker and Belichick, and any other reasonable combination of guys that you want to assemble.
Please don't forget that you only get to see what they WANT you to see. The TV feed is on a time delay and they pick and choose exactly what to show you sitting at home. They pick the exact moments and faces and images they want you to see. It's not as if this is something new to the NFL or unique to Moss (his looking unhappy on the bench).
1 catch for 16 yards and a fumble. A lousy break on a ball which was either fully or partially responsible for an interception. Members of opposing teams talking about it. Brady noting it and calling it "frustration". The shots of the sideline. Moss acknowledging it, at least to the extent of a "wasn't really too hot" performance.
Yeah, it's all about being anti-Moss and having no logic, evidence or facts.
Deus you really are persistent, irrational and illogical. You ignore the quotes that don't support your argument and hunt for the quotes that might. You then also twist any words that any of them say to fit your meaning. I'm not going to go through all this again but I've thrown countless quotes that go directly against your ridiculous assertions and you just explain them away, while demanding the quotes you choose are golden.
Tom Brady (in the same exact quote that you refer to lol) said precisely that "Moss fights through it" and has his entire career. Just one example of the countless countless words you throw away or try to twist. But keep making yourself look like a complete fool with the Gamble quotes.
I don't want Moss gone if he wasn't a significant locker room problem. That doesn't mean we shouldn't acknowledge that there were issues with the man this season.
Let's put it this way, I guarantee Randy Moss will be voted as team captain for a 3rd straight year. GUARANTEE. Quote me. Save this. Then when it happens, apologize and for once in your life admit you were wrong.
Oh, please... This is in a thread about Moss' future with the team and a media member allegedly hearing that Belichick is going to get rid of him. In that context, someone noted that Belichick wouldn't have been happy about the Carolina game and I made a jibe aimed at some people here who claimed that the players who were lined up against Moss didn't have the best perspective on how he was playing and what kind of effort he was giving, and how that poster had better be careful. The result was people pulling out the knee-jerk defense over it, and that's why the links got posted.
And, for the record, while you claim that you have "yet to see him pull that here", some would assert that he pulled that in the San Diego game in 2008 and in the Carolina game in 2009.
Yea media members also allegedly heard he was getting cut after 2007 TC lol. They are always right, let's take their word as fact I used to think you were better than this, but you continue to prove me wrong.
Ya, you're absolutely right. Oh, and I've been hearing lately from some players on a different team that Junior Seau is our best defensive player. There ya go, we can really take what players around the league say as the golden word. Again, those are people's opinions based on their observations. My observations is that ever since Moss got here there have been multiple games where he looked slow and unlike the player he usually is. Do I immediately look at him and start thinking the man is doggin it? No, I take into acct. that the man is getting old, and a lot of times looks like he is playing with some lingering injuries. People don't want to hear that though, they wanna run the guy out of town based on his past reputation alone.
At least there's others out there with logic. Yea a player with better perspective than us said Seau is our best defender, it must be true! Who are we to question the opposition!
1.) Belichick called out the team after the Chargers game in 2008. Any unbiased person watching that game understood that Moss was not outside of that callout.
You aren't unbiased. You attribute the TEAM being called out to Moss being called out. And in the same breath call us biased? LOL Insanity!
2.) Anyone watching the Carolina game saw what they saw. Brady commented on it. The opposing defenders commented on it. Moss admitted to the poor performance in a year that he refused to admit Revis held him in check during a game.
EVERY RECEIVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME HAS HAD POOR PERFORMANCES. What the hell is the point of the FACT that he had a BAD game? That's not the point, the point is you clowns try to claim he was "dogging" it or "quitting" which is why he had a bad game. You half-quote Brady and ignore Troy Brown's quotes about Brady saying the SAME EXACT things to him as well and that's the kind of guy Brady is etc... Yea Troy just wants to protect Moss too, it's this huge conspiracy! Show me one receiver in the NFL that "admits" to a DB holding them in check. And Revis DID have safety help frequently. It's not like they brought both their safeties up and let Revis have a field day with Moss.
3.) Once a player is on the field, injuries excuse/explain performance level. They don't excuse/explain effort level, except in the rarest of circumstances.
You can't determine effort level by watching your stupid little TV feed so quit acting like you can. The best CB in the LEAGUE has said you can't judge Moss' body language and that he is very DECEPTIVE. If NFL DBs can't determine his level of effort (i.e. he is DECEPTIVELY FAST etc...) then how the hell can armchair analyst Deus ?
What people don't want to hear is the ridiculous excuses, especially when they are the excuses being given by people on a message board who are being hypocrites by reading into things while complaining that those who are pointing out the problems with a Moss performance are reading into things.
No one is reading into anything except for you. The facts are what they are and they all support Moss giving sufficient effort while having a bad game. But you want us to believe that he quit on routes while at the same time didn't quit on blocking... Yea you really don't throw logic out at all
It's not an EXCUSE, its saying, HEY MAN, think about it, there could be several reasons. BB has called out his LB's and many players on the team this past 10 yrs. Am I to assume that Bruschi was a dogger? No, thats not what I assume. I assume that ALL....ALLLL players have good games and bad games. And, lets be honest here. Most of the people who are going hog wild over this loss are completely over reacting. The people that arent over reacting are thinking logically about the future of this franchise and stating legitimate reasons for why they believe those changes need to be made. Not throwing piss and moan fits about how much they hate this franchise, and about how ANGRY they are...and well...well, if things dont get fixed then Im gonna_______! Fill in the blank.
Thank goodness there's others out there with logic. I'm tired of the knee-jerk loud-mouth doom-and-gloom crowd being the most vocal. I used to learn a lot coming to this board, now the only thing I learn is that the Patriots are full of a bunch of underachieving losers, quitters, fat lazy malcontents, busts and over the hill coaches that have no idea how to run a franchise. If I didn't watch the games I would swear that this is an 0-16 team. And when that's not good enough, we have entire years of dissecting people's body languages and extrapolating how they feel about their head coach or upper management.
