Ben Watson

[TommyD4207]

T.J. Hockenson would have been nice if we're talking about players that have never been Patriots.

Mark Bavaro would have been nice.

 

[captain stone]

T.J. Hockenson would have been nice if we're talking about players that have never been Patriots.

Mark Bavaro would have been nice.

Austin Hooper (instead of Cyrus the Virus) would've been nice...

George Kittle (instead of Dwops Allen) would've been nice...

Foster Moreau (instead of Frodo the T-Rex) would've been nice.

 

[denverpatsfan]

This is a tough crowd. Watson played great on Monday night. The fact that Brady threw to him on a 3rd and a 4th down play means that the "trust" is back. I give him a mulligan for the 1st ball that bounced off him. He obviously wasn't expecting to get the ball and it was his first game in a long time. I would expect his targets and catches to go up with every game.

 

[PatsFan2]

Austin Hooper (instead of Cyrus the Virus) would've been nice...

George Kittle (instead of Dwops Allen) would've been nice...

Foster Moreau (instead of Frodo the T-Rex) would've been nice.

Coach cap what number is Frodo the T-Rex??

 

[venecol]

All he needs to do is not drop passes and run his routes well. He can do both.

If he can give the Pats 3 good catches a game and some reasonable blocking that's all they need from that spot and it would be a massive step up from what they've been getting.

His catch rate last year was in the 70's, I think 73%. That's better than anyone on the team, except for maybe White. Guy has good hands.

 

[PatsFan2]

This is a tough crowd. Watson played great on Monday night. The fact that Brady threw to him on a 3rd and a 4th down play means that the "trust" is back. I give him a mulligan for the 1st ball that bounced off him. He obviously wasn't expecting to get the ball and it was his first game in a long time. I would expect his targets and catches to go up with every game.

One good thing with Ben Watson last game which I hope is a Trend is that two of his three catches were First Downs and the First one would have been a Huge FD gainer too.

 

[Biffins]

Pretty surprising looking back that bill somehow viewed more value in Lacosse/Izzo and we almost lost this guy for nothing.

Already looks like our best tight end. Take away the drop and he had a nice catch on 3rd down and 4th down and was solid in blocking on one of sony's touchdown runs. Should only get better with more time

we are in cap space hell because of AB fiasco. We got Watson back because he dropped price from $2.5m to $1.5m

 

[RobertWeathers]

we are in cap space hell because of AB fiasco. We got Watson back because he dropped price from $2.5m to $1.5m

We will have ~$70m in cap space next year.

We are not in cap space hell.

 

[Biffins]

We will have ~$70m in cap space next year.

We are not in cap space hell.

Clearly i am referring to this year. But thanks for your input.

As for next year, too many positions, including QB, are vacant do the $70m number is nonsensical

 

[RobertWeathers]

Clearly i am referring to this year. But thanks for your input.

As for next year, too many positions, including QB, are vacant do the $70m number is nonsensical

I have no idea what you are referring to. You could be talking crap like you do with AB every day.

If spent wisely, $70m is a ton of cap space

 

[Biffins]

I have no idea what you are referring to. You could be talking crap like you do with AB every day.

If spent wisely, $70m is a ton of cap space

What part of what I said didn’t make sense. $70m can be a lot or too little depending on what remains to be filled. Once you give Brady $32m. Maybe extend Hightower and Van Noy for a year each at $8-10m. Maybe bring Collins back for $8m and not much space left. Maybe Thuney extension. And boom. It’s all gone.



Patriots Free Agents for 2020


PLAYER (22)
POS.
FROM
STATUS
MARKET VALUE
Tom Brady QB NE UFA Market Value
Tom Brady QB NE CO Market Value
Devin McCourty FS NE UFA -
Kyle Van Noy ILB NE UFA -
Matthew Slater WR NE UFA -
Phillip Dorsett WR NE UFA -
Nate Ebner FS NE UFA -
Josh Gordon WR NE UFA -
Jamie Collins OLB NE UFA -
Danny Shelton DT NE UFA Market Value
Mike Nugent K NE UFA -
Marshall Newhouse RT NE UFA -
Joe Thuney G NE UFA -
Benjamin Watson TE NE UFA -
James Ferentz C NE UFA -
Shilique Calhoun OLB NE UFA -
Eric Tomlinson TE NE UFA -
Jermaine Eluemunor G NE RFA -
Ted Karras C NE UFA -
Elandon Roberts OLB NE UFA -
Adam Butler DT NE RFA -
Keionta Davis DE NE RFA

 

[RobertWeathers]

What part of what I said didn’t make sense.

we are in cap space hell because of AB fiasco.

You later clarified you meant this year only. AB has $ on next year's cap as well. Not sure if you knew that.

$70m can be a lot or too little depending on what remains to be filled. Once you give Brady $32m. Maybe extend Hightower and Van Noy for a year each at $8-10m. Maybe bring Collins back for $8m and not much space left. Maybe Thuney extension. And boom. It’s all gone.

Patriots Free Agents for 2020


PLAYER (22)
POS.
FROM
STATUS
MARKET VALUE
Tom Brady QB NE UFA Market Value
Tom Brady QB NE CO Market Value
Devin McCourty FS NE UFA -
Kyle Van Noy ILB NE UFA -
Matthew Slater WR NE UFA -
Phillip Dorsett WR NE UFA -
Nate Ebner FS NE UFA -
Josh Gordon WR NE UFA -
Jamie Collins OLB NE UFA -
Danny Shelton DT NE UFA Market Value
Mike Nugent K NE UFA -
Marshall Newhouse RT NE UFA -
Joe Thuney G NE UFA -
Benjamin Watson TE NE UFA -
James Ferentz C NE UFA -
Shilique Calhoun OLB NE UFA -
Eric Tomlinson TE NE UFA -
Jermaine Eluemunor G NE RFA -
Ted Karras C NE UFA -
Elandon Roberts OLB NE UFA -
Adam Butler DT NE RFA -
Keionta Davis DE NE RFA

I'm not playing the game of projecting Year 1 cap figures on the names you call out.

As I said, as long as its spent wisely and not on some dumb ass above-market contracts its plenty space which is something this team has done for 2 decades. Some years they have more, some less. It happens.

 

[captain stone]

Coach cap what number is Frodo the T-Rex??

In your program, #64...In the draft, #118.

 

[SBLIII]

What part of what I said didn’t make sense. $70m can be a lot or too little depending on what remains to be filled. Once you give Brady $32m. Maybe extend Hightower and Van Noy for a year each at $8-10m. Maybe bring Collins back for $8m and not much space left. Maybe Thuney extension. And boom. It’s all gone.



Patriots Free Agents for 2020


PLAYER (22)
POS.
FROM
STATUS
MARKET VALUE
Tom Brady QB NE UFA Market Value
Tom Brady QB NE CO Market Value
Devin McCourty FS NE UFA -
Kyle Van Noy ILB NE UFA -
Matthew Slater WR NE UFA -
Phillip Dorsett WR NE UFA -
Nate Ebner FS NE UFA -
Josh Gordon WR NE UFA -
Jamie Collins OLB NE UFA -
Danny Shelton DT NE UFA Market Value
Mike Nugent K NE UFA -
Marshall Newhouse RT NE UFA -
Joe Thuney G NE UFA -
Benjamin Watson TE NE UFA -
James Ferentz C NE UFA -
Shilique Calhoun OLB NE UFA -
Eric Tomlinson TE NE UFA -
Jermaine Eluemunor G NE RFA -
Ted Karras C NE UFA -
Elandon Roberts OLB NE UFA -
Adam Butler DT NE RFA -
Keionta Davis DE NE RFA

you do understand that cap number is something different than annual money, right?