BB THE GOAT

[Wax Frog]

Back to the intent of this thread, which has morphed into a KC thread.. hands down BB wins the prize, hands down.
Reid is good, but have to go back to Super Bowl XXXIX when Reid was HC of Philly, the worse clock management in a game of that stature I've ever seen.
The only place that BB's record & abilities will be doubted is on this message board by Pats Fans..
Sheesh it is always a long off season and every year it seems to get longer..

OT thanks for the Kenny Rogers earworm

 

[Wozzy]

Best QB of the 1970's = Bradshaw

He outplayed all of his contemporaries when it counted the most. And it's not even close.

Pshhh… you were too young to remember early Patriots dynasty years, you’re trying to tell us you remember the Steel Curtain?

The Steelers were a power run team with a dominating defense, Bradshaw was a game manager who never led the NFL in passing or efficiency once, He threw as many INT’s as he did TD’s.

Laughable…

 

[Triumph]

We ain't dead yet.

We've tried a few things that have not worked out well... with that said we do have some talent here... Looking forward to a better, more competitive 2023

Takes an exceptional QB to win banners in todays NFL and even then its not a given.

Recently, Rexs 2009 and 2010 Jets have come the closest to making it to a Super Bowl with a jag QB, but they were exposed by HOF QBs both times.

 

[Wozzy]

Reid does. Mahomes is a great QB who is also adapt at improvisation. But Reid is the brains of that operation.

So coaching matters when it diminishes a guy people are saying will surpass Brady one day… but all the coaches in Tom’s career were along for the ride. Again… solid logic.

 

[Wozzy]

Takes an exceptional QB to win banners in todays NFL and even then its not a given.

Recently, Rexs 2009 and 2010 Jets have come the closest to making it to a Super Bowl with a jag QB, but they were exposed by HOF QBs both times.

Nick Foles is exceptional?

Tell us more, we need more of this sage wisdom.

 

[Steve102]

Well this has gone according to script.

 

[Triumph]

Nick Foles is exceptional?

Tell us more, we need more of this sage wisdom.

Foles had always had his moments of being good.

 

[Ring 6]

Nick Foles is exceptional?

Tell us more, we need more of this sage wisdom.

It’s more than that. Garapolo, kaepernick, Flacco, Stafford, Goff, Newton, the corpse of manning, etc have qbd sb teams

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm lost now. What is this thread about? Andy Reid? I thought it was BB being the GOAT HC. Which is pretty indisputably true.

Doesn't mean Andy Reid isn't also a great coach, because he very clearly IS. And it also doesn't mean there haven't been a ton of other wildly successful HCs in NFL history, because there have been. A bunch with incredibly impressive resumés. None of that changes the fact that BB is the greatest HC in the history of the NFL.

People point to the fact that BB had Tom Brady as if that's a mark AGAINST Belichick. That's total nonsense. Shula had HOF QBs in Griese and Marino, and he coached in an era when you could build a team and keep it together - no salary cap. He won two Super Bowls. Bill Walsh had Joe Montana. He won three Super Bowls. Chuck Noll had HOFer Terry Bradshaw and one of the best, most complete franchises in NFL history. He won four Super Bowls. All legendary coaches, and they had legendary quarterbacks. Belichick drafted Brady, kept Brady as the #4 QB when NOBODY ever did anything like that, coached Brady, made the decision that 99% of other coaches would not have made - to put Brady in as starter even when Bledsoe was healthy (even though over the stretch of time when Bledsoe was injured, Brady went just 3-3, including the Jets game), chose Brady over Bledsoe in the Super Bowl even though Brady was banged up with a sprained ankle, and then made the call to jettison Bledsoe in favor of Brady. Oh and continually worked with Brady to build the most epic franchise in the NFL's history.

Far from being a mark AGAINST Bill Belichick, winning so much with Brady is a mark in FAVOR of Bill Belichick. It's also a mark in favor of Tom Brady. Lots of coaches have won Super Bowls. Lots of QBs have won Super Bowls. Nobody has won as many Super Bowls as a HC/QB pair as BB and TB. Nobody is even close. Great head coaches win multiple Super Bowls. The greatest coach of all time has won SIX Super Bowls.

What are we even doing here, people?

The thread should have been about BB compared to other great coaches but the resident anti-BB/passive-aggressive BB detractors had other plans.

 

[Real fan 02]

Nick Foles is exceptional?

Tell us more, we need more of this sage wisdom.

I think Rex Grossman had a few MVPs and all Pro's didn't he? Lol lol

 

[Wozzy]

Foles had always had his moments of being good.

Foles was never, and will never be exceptional. Prior to getting hurt Carson Wentz was Vegas front runner for the NFL MVP award. The Eagles team was exceptional in 2017. That's how Tom Brady put up the single greatest stat line in Super Bowl history but lost to Nick Foles... a career backup.

Exceptional teams is how Joe Gibbs won three different Super Bowls with three different journeyman QB's. It's why just "good" Eli Manning beat Tom Brady twice... Tom Coughlin deserves to be in the HOF for building exceptional teams. There was nothing special about all these QB's who won rings. Once is an outlier, a multitude of occurrences isn't. If Joe Flacco can do it, you don't need a magical unicorn, you need a magical team.

 

[Wozzy]

I think Rex Grossman had a few MVPs and all Pro's didn't he? Lol lol

No, he never got either.

But he did get to a Super Bowl despite being average to poor... something we've been told here is impossible.

 

[Steve102]

The thread should have been about BB compared to other great coaches but the resident anti-BB/passive-aggressive BB detractors had other plans.

There cannot be a civil discussion about Bill here, where he ranks in relation to his peers or the other greats of all sports. While he managed to somehow get this franchise ready for an unprecedented 20 year run, with an unbelievable 6 Lombardi trophies. Bill did not keep it going for 25-30 years, he did not deliver a 7th or 8th and for that, he must be tarred and feathered.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Pshhh… you were too young to remember early Patriots dynasty years, you’re trying to tell us you remember the Steel Curtain?

The Steelers were a power run team with a dominating defense, Bradshaw was a game manager who never led the NFL in passing or efficiency once, He threw as many INT’s as he did TD’s.

Laughable…

They still ran more than they threw but TB12 v1 was very much the catalyst on offense after 1977 which coincided with the 5 yd bump rule implemented in 1978.

QB rating and ball security wasn't really a focus back then for most teams. In that era most years TB12 v1 was in the top 10 in QB rating but again, I don't think they cared.

 

[Real fan 02]

No, he never got either.

But he did get to a Super Bowl despite being average to poor... something we've been told here is impossible.

I can't seem to think of who that poster might be.. are u sure Grossman wasn't an all pro QB lol lol

 

[Pape]

Takes an exceptional QB to win banners in todays NFL and even then its not a given.

Recently, Rexs 2009 and 2010 Jets have come the closest to making it to a Super Bowl with a jag QB, but they were exposed by HOF QBs both times.

Based on the replies that followed your post, care to reconsider? The edit button helps with the whole "do over" thing...

 

[sb1]

Takes an exceptional QB to win banners in todays NFL and even then its not a given.

Sounds like a good reason to keep Zappe on the bench.

 

[Steve102]

Sounds like a good reason to keep Zappe on the bench.

Bro, why? You know where this is going. Aren't you tired of the same old chit discussions?

 

[Wozzy]

They still ran more than they threw but TB12 v1 was very much the catalyst on offense after 1977 which coincided with the 5 yd bump rule implemented in 1978.

QB rating and ball security wasn't really a focus back then for most teams. In that era most years TB12 v1 was in the top 10 in QB rating but again, I don't think they cared.

That's why I compared Bradshaw's stats to his peers and not modern age stats. The game was different then for sure, but in relation to Fouts, Staubach and the rest he was never considered the best among his peers. His teams were the best.

 

[Pape]

The thread should have been about BB compared to other great coaches but the resident anti-BB/passive-aggressive BB detractors had other plans.

its funny, i muted just two people in this thread and it doesn't seem that bad...


edit: upon second thought, its really not that funny