BB indicates that Patricia is calling defensive plays

[DropKickFlutie]

Maybe, just maybe, he hasnt been given the job because BB thinks someone else gives us the best chance to win. I think its safe to say Bill knows better than us. Just sayin.......

Of course Belichick knows more. Even still, just to point this out, our old D-coordinator for several years Dean Pees got no jobs as DC after, he's been a linebackers coach for the Ravens. Mangini's 2005 Pat defense was one of the league's worst, and our defense this year was recently the worst in the league.

Just because Belichick is the best doesn't mean he's obsessively micro managing every little thing. We found out from Holley's War Room book that Maroney and Chad Jackson were picked, over strong opposition from scouts, simply because Josh McDaniels' brother said those guys were good. We even traded up for Chad Jackson. We put a lot of trust in Belichick but evidence shows he is making decisions sometimes (or oftentimes) off the potentially bad advice/judgement of his staff.

The point is, a LOT of these guys are lucky to even be on the Patriots staff. And they are here because of connections, not necessarily based on the best merit or accomplishments prior. Aside from Scar and Pepper, the rest of these guys had zero success from whatever no-name college program they came from.

And I don't buy the excuses for why Pepper has never gotten a chance. When he coached linebackers they were our best unit. Then he moved to D-line and they've been our best unit. He's a great coach. He was a starting defender on 2 championship teams and has 3 rings as a coach. It's pretty unfair (and potentially insulting) to insinuate he isn't getting DC opportunities because of x,y negative flaws that he hypothetically has, which is all pure speculation.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Of course Belichick knows more. Even still, just to point this out, our old D-coordinator for several years Dean Pees got no jobs as DC after, he's been a linebackers coach for the Ravens. Mangini's 2005 Pat defense was one of the league's worst, and our defense this year was recently the worst in the league.

Just because Belichick is the best doesn't mean he's obsessively micro managing every little thing. We found out from Holley's War Room book that Maroney and Chad Jackson were picked, over strong opposition from scouts, simply because Josh McDaniels' brother said those guys were good. We even traded up for Chad Jackson. We put a lot of trust in Belichick but evidence shows he is making decisions sometimes (or oftentimes) off the potentially bad advice/judgement of his staff.

The point is, a LOT of these guys are lucky to even be on the Patriots staff. And they are here because of connections, not necessarily based on the best merit or accomplishments prior. Aside from Scar and Pepper, the rest of these guys had zero success from whatever no-name college program they came from.

And I don't buy the excuses for why Pepper has never gotten a chance. When he coached linebackers they were our best unit. Then he moved to D-line and they've been our best unit. He's a great coach. He was a starting defender on 2 championship teams and has 3 rings as a coach. It's pretty unfair (and potentially insulting) to insinuate he isn't getting DC opportunities because of x,y negative flaws that he hypothetically has, which is all pure speculation.

Pioli had zero experience beyond watching TC practices as a fan when Bill tapped him to come to Cleveland. Pees had 37 years of experience as a DC (for Nick Saban twice at two different colleges) and a HC in college. When Charlie joined the JETS it was off of years of experience as a...HS coach...RAC joined Tuna in college coming off a year as a grad assistant and 3 years as a line coach at his unheralded alma mater, and then followed him to and around the pros, although Bill never promoted him once he got there...probably because Belichick was already there ahead of him... Didn't promote him during times when Bill wasn't there either, though. He left the JETS just before Bill and Bill did their whose the coach parody with the JETS. He was DC for the Browns for one less than memorable season. Then Belichick brought him in here in 2001.

I don't know where you think NFL coaches and management come from... It's a fraternity. You either identify and develop them yourself or hire ones developed in similar system by coaches you trust or you hire them away from someone who could develop them when you can't...There are a fairly limited number of branches let alone trees from which they emerge.

Pepper has been available for a while now. He's not an invisible man. No one has come knocking, including RAC when he could have or Pioli or Josh or Dimetroff or the Giants or the JETS or you name it... Speculation is what we do here when something has or hasn't happened and we don't know for sure why...just in this case that it hasn't when you might have thought it would. Some guys leave when that happens (Rob Ryan, Scar's idiot kid, Daboll, Dimetroff). Sometimes you lose promising talent because an incumbant holds serve. Other times you lose them because their egos exceed their talent. Sometimes you lose them because they want to get out from under your shadow just like you wanted to get out from under Tuna's... Occasionally they stay. Sometimes that is good and sometimes it hints at lack of ambition. Bill's own father chose to stay an assistant at the Naval Academy though because family life mattered to him. Scar seems to be in that mold. RAC and Charlie on the other hand had to move on...

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Pioli had zero experience beyond watching TC practices as a fan when Bill tapped him to come to Cleveland. Pees had 37 years of experience as a DC (for Nick Saban twice at two different colleges) and a HC in college. When Charlie joined the JETS it was off of years of experience as a...HS coach...RAC joined Tuna in college coming off a year as a grad assistant and 3 years as a line coach at his unheralded alma mater, and then followed him to and around the pros, although Bill never promoted him once he got there...probably because Belichick was already there ahead of him... Didn't promote him during times when Bill wasn't there either, though. He left the JETS just before Bill and Bill did their whose the coach parody with the JETS. He was DC for the Browns for one less than memorable season. Then Belichick brought him in here in 2001.

Pepper has been available for a while now. He's not an invisible man. No one has come knocking, including RAC when he could have or Pioli or Josh or Dimetroff or the Giants or the JETS or you name it

See, the thing is, do you notice how Pioli, Crennel, and Weiss all got a half decade of NFL experience in the 1990's before they became good at their jobs? Dean Pees could coach college for 50 years and it wouldn't mean he would succeed as a NFL DC. Belichick's greatest success coincided with staff with several NFL experience from 2001-2004. Even in 2007 McDaniels had several years experience by then and Dom Capers was on the staff too.

As for Pepper, his career path sounds very similar to what happened to Crennel. Crennel kept paying his dues, not getting promoted by even Parcells for many years, but when he finally got his shot as DC on the Patriots he excelled. While Crennel was getting passed over, a similar (unconvincing) argument can be made that so many guys COULD have hired Crennel but they didn't, as somehow this was an indictment on Romeo when it would have been other factors/dynamics at play that were totally out of his control.

I don't understand why people automatically dismiss Pepper and think Patricia is a clear better choice as DC. Coming up with hypothetical reasons sounds a lot like explaining that women aren't in upper management because they're "too emotional" or some other generalization/excuse.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

I don't understand why people automatically dismiss Pepper and think Patricia is a clear better choice as DC. Coming up with hypothetical reasons sounds a lot like explaining that women aren't in upper management because they're "too emotional" or some other generalization/excuse.

For the record, I'm not dismissing Pepper, or claim to know who's better. I just know BB knows more than me, and the defense IS improving. I just want them all to work together to win. I could care less who Bill has coaching at each position.

p.s. Women ARE too emotional