Article: Moss Viking stories leaking out...

[SVN]

the caterer speaks
Caterer explains Moss tirade | StarTribune.com

 

[Haley]

Again, this is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand and doesn't excuse Moss' actions here in any way.

It is in no way irrelevant. It puts his actions into perspective with the actions of rest of the NFL.

You can't just cast off points as irrelevant because they don't support your argument. I am not excusing his actions, I am condemning the actions of the "coach".

 

[apple strudel]

:ugh:

The story has been confirmed: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ng-stories-leaking-out-page3.html#post2319729



No, it's really not. You attempted to excuse Moss by asking me what person ever handles every situation in their lives in the best way possible. I responded by criticizing your logic, which was the right thing to do. What I should have done was criticize your logic AND point out just how ridiculous and absurd that question, particularly when you're raising it to try to defend a guy who could have handled the situation in question differently, really was.



By this logic, we shouldn't have opinions on anything and should just be drones and/or robots. No thanks. And, once again, the story has been confirmed by multiple sources. That's good enough for me.



No, it really doesn't.



Actually, I understand the point just fine. Let's have a look at what's gone down and see if you understand it...

1. Vikings players have reported what Moss said word for word. If Chilly had really lost the locker room over such a perceived unpopular move by cutting Moss for absolutely no reason, why would the Vikings player in question do that? Afterward, the story was confirmed again by the Vikings themselves.

2. You made a post which all but stated that there was nothing wrong with the way Moss handled the situation.

3. I responded to you and other posters by listing ways in which Moss could have handled the situation better.

4. You attempted a ridiculous defense of Moss only after admitting yourself that he could have handled the situation better.

5. I responded by mocking your terrible defense and telling you just why it was terrible.

6. You're now attempting a different (albeit less ridiculous) defense. Instead, this time, it's "WERE U THAR".

It's simple. Your logic is shoddy here. If this is what you're going to bring to the table, you might want to stay in the Political Cesspool.

1. It only takes 1 guy in a locker room to talk to the media. It'd be nuts (!) to think that means that Chilly has control of the locker room because of 1 guy. The Vikings reiterating it could just as easily be construed as saving face. You know, that thing that PR is designed to do? :ugh:

2. No I didn't. This is what I love about this forum. Plain making **** up.

3. Everybody can always do anything better.

4. Not really.

5. Not really.

6. Internet speak is awesome. Anyways, take the two arguments and put them together and what do you have?

So ... logic is not very shoddy. Interpretation is, though.

I love patsfans.com.

 

[Kontradiction]

It is in no way irrelevant. It puts his actions into perspective with the actions of rest of the NFL.

You can't just cast off points as irrelevant because they don't support your argument. I am not excusing his actions, I am condemning the actions of the "coach".

It's COMPLETELY irrelevant. But since you don't think it is, please explain how the three players' actions excuses Moss. Explain how someone raping a girl excuses Moss for not handling the situation differently. Explain how dog fighting excuses Moss for not handling the situation differently. Explain how a D.U.I. excuses Moss for not handling the situation differently.

This should be rich.

 

[Haley]

It's COMPLETELY irrelevant. But since you don't think it is, please explain how the three players' actions excuses Moss. Explain how someone raping a girl excuses Moss for not handling the situation differently. Explain how dog fighting excuses Moss for not handling the situation differently. Explain how a D.U.I. excuses Moss for not handling the situation differently.

This should be rich.

Please re-read the last sentence of my last post.

Clearly you failed to read it the first time.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Boat? What boat? The saying is "jumped the shark", it comes from the episode of Happy Days where Fonzie jumped over a shark on his surfboard. There's no boat.

How quickly we forget. In Minnesota, there is a boat affectionately known as "the love boat".

 

[Kontradiction]

1. It only takes 1 guy in a locker room to talk to the media. It'd be nuts (!) to think that means that Chilly has control of the locker room because of 1 guy. The Vikings reiterating it could just as easily be construed as saving face. You know, that thing that PR is designed to do? :ugh:

I guess the caterer is now just helping the Vikings save face?

"[Moss] came walking up," Tinucci said. "There were a couple of guys that were in line. I knew Brett [Favre] put his helmet down. I met him carving. I was carving some meat for a guy and all of a sudden I heard all this screaming and I was like, 'Are you kidding me?' I knew who it was immediately. I looked up and there he was. [Moss said], 'I wouldn't feed this [expletive] to my [expletive] dog.' I was in shock. I couldn't believe it. It was quiet in there."

Tinucci said one player told Moss to shut up. He also said two Vikings employees approached him and apologized.

So now a Vikings player has confirmed this, the Vikings themselves have confirmed this, and the caterer has confirmed it. At what point are you going to admit that this actually happened and that Moss could have handled it better?

2. No I didn't. This is what I love about this forum. Plain making **** up.

Sure you did. Here's the post that I first responded to...

Anonymous internet poster thinks he is less of a selfish loser than wealthy football star, news at 11.

I mean, how dare anybody not like the catering and refuse to talk to the same media that ****s on him on a regular basis. The nerve!

That looks to me like think that Moss handled the situation well. If you're going to claim that you didn't do something when you did, you might want to go back and erase the evidence.

3. Everybody can always do anything better.

No doubting that. This includes Moss. And it still doesn't excuse him in any way. You might want to go back to the "were you there" approach. That was working better.

4. Not really.

5. Not really.

Your defense was terrible (not to mention incorrect) and I did call you on it.

6. Internet speak is awesome. Anyways, take the two arguments and put them together and what do you have?

Two defenses that still don't excuse Moss or explain how he handled the situation in the best way possible.

So ... logic is not very shoddy. Interpretation is, though.

Yeah, it really is considering you've done everything I've accused you of doing in this thread.

I love patsfans.com.

If it's such a pain to post on here, why continue to do it?

 

[TBradyOwnsYou]

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Sorry I'm incorrect. It is reported to be the direct cause.



NFL.com news: Misbehavior led to Moss' release; WR no longer listed on roster

Your quote from the story:

The source noted that Moss' behavior both in the locker room and after Sunday's loss at New England was a key factor in Childress' decision.

Moss' actions during a Friday locker-room buffet upset even quarterback Brett Favre, the St. Paul Pioneer-Press reported Tuesday.

It says his actions on Friday upset Favre. It does NOT say his actions on Friday "directly" led to him getting waived.

This quote from the original article:

When Childress, according to one person in Monday’s meeting, said of Moss, “This just doesn’t fit with how we treat people, how we talk to people and how we act,” it was clear that he was referring to the incident that occurred last Friday.

is the closest thing to causation, though it seems to be more opinion based than fact based. I would also think it would make more sense that while the event might have put him in bad graces with the players and coach, the press conference was the ultimate catylst for getting him booted out.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Name me one person who handles all situations the best way possible. You can't because that person does not exist. But anonymous judgment from the safety of the keyboard is always awesome. :bricks:

I would suggest that your anonymous judgment from the safety of the keyboard is somewhat lacking.

But, hey, I wasn't there either.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Actual hidden video footage capturing the event in question from the Vikings locker room on Friday......

YouTube - dog FOOD i'll show him dog food

 

[Kontradiction]

Please re-read the last sentence of my last post.

Clearly you failed to read it the first time.

Thing is, you ARE excusing his actions when you point out that people in the league have done worse. Or, are at least attempting to do so. As for the actions of his coach, I don't see how it's a problem. I don't like Childress as much as the next guy. I think he's one of the biggest morons in the NFL. However, he got called out in front of the national media by a wide receiver who obviously didn't want to be there anymore. Why would you condemn the actions of Randy's coach?

 

[Haley]

Your quote from the story:


It says his actions on Friday upset Favre. It does NOT say his actions on Friday "directly" led to him getting waived.

This quote from the original article:



is the closest thing to causation, though it seems to be more opinion based than fact based. I would also think it would make more sense that while the event might have put him in bad graces with the players and coach, the press conference was the ultimate catylst for getting him booted out.

Please read the title of the article. :ugh:

I didn't name it, they did.

"NFL.com news: Misbehavior led to Moss' release"

 

[emoney_33]

the caterer speaks
Caterer explains Moss tirade | StarTribune.com

Not cool Moss, not cool at all! For his sake I hope he has a reason, any reason for this besides just being snotty as it sounds. For shame.

 

[Kontradiction]

This is great. The story has been confirmed by three out of the four sides, there has been an admission that Moss didn't handle the situation as best as he could, and yet apple strudel is still replying.

 

[apple strudel]

I guess the caterer is now just helping the Vikings save face?

"[Moss] came walking up," Tinucci said. "There were a couple of guys that were in line. I knew Brett [Favre] put his helmet down. I met him carving. I was carving some meat for a guy and all of a sudden I heard all this screaming and I was like, 'Are you kidding me?' I knew who it was immediately. I looked up and there he was. [Moss said], 'I wouldn't feed this [expletive] to my [expletive] dog.' I was in shock. I couldn't believe it. It was quiet in there."

Tinucci said one player told Moss to shut up. He also said two Vikings employees approached him and apologized.

So now a Vikings player has confirmed this, the Vikings themselves have confirmed this, and the caterer has confirmed it. At what point are you going to admit that this actually happened and that Moss could have handled it better?

Read the thread, genius. I never said it didn't happen. Never. Not once. Nor did I imply it. I have said repeatedly that 1) it was not the reason he was released, and 2) the story came out later after Moss was released to help Chilly save face after Moss basically told the world that Chilly can't coach. Blame Moss. And you took the bait.

Sure you did. Here's the post that I first responded to...

Anonymous internet poster thinks he is less of a selfish loser than wealthy football star, news at 11.

I mean, how dare anybody not like the catering and refuse to talk to the same media that ****s on him on a regular basis. The nerve!

I never said there was nothing wrong with it, which is what you claimed I did. Never, not once. I just don't thinks it's a huge deal compared to teabagging trainers and MMSing your dong. :ugh: What a clusterf*ck you are today.

That looks to me like think that Moss handled the situation well.

Are you kidding? Really? Come on, dude. Don't be one of those guys.

If you're going to claim that you didn't do something when you did, you might want to go back and erase the evidence.

This is getting sillier and sillier.

Your defense was terrible (not to mention incorrect) and I did call you on it.

Not really.

Two defenses that still don't excuse Moss or explain how he handled the situation in the best way possible.

Interesting that my game is not to excuse Moss or assert that he handled the situation ideally. Funny how that correlates strongly to people making **** up on the internet. Sigh.

Yeah, it really is considering you've done everything I've accused you of doing in this thread.

Above. It's pretty clear to me.

If it's such a pain to post on here, why continue to do it?

Because it's endlessly entertaining to see asinine **** like this even exists in the world! Yay!

 

[apple strudel]

Sorry Kontra, a lot of the times you seem like a cool guy but you're way, way off on this one. Don't make me put you on ignore.

 

[Haley]

Thing is, you ARE excusing his actions when you point out that people in the league have done worse. Or, are at least attempting to do so. As for the actions of his coach, I don't see how it's a problem. I don't like Childress as much as the next guy. I think he's one of the biggest morons in the NFL. However, he got called out in front of the national media by a wide receiver who obviously didn't want to be there anymore. Why would you condemn the actions of Randy's coach?

No, I'm not. I don't know why the difference is so subtle for you. Let me put it this way:

If the penalty for stealing a gumball was the death penalty, I would protest that as an unmeasured response.

I see Childress as someone who completely failed to manage the situation and instead cut off his own hand to spite his face. He could have punished Moss privately and talked to him privately but that is a lot more effort than writing the guy's name down on a waiver sheet and leaking it to the press. Is this adult behavior? Is this what a manager does? Would BB ever have done this? Was this a measured response to the situation? Hell, no. It was a lazy response to the situation. Randy's actions were in poor taste, but Chilly's were detrimental to the organization he is supposed to represent.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

So lets summerize.

HOF WR traded because he insulted the hair cut of HOF QB.

HOF WR then cut for complaining about the lunch menu.


Hmmm....I think there might be something more going on.

 

[SVN]

Twitter

glazer counters silver...this is amusing

RT @JonnyB43: @Jay_Glazer Yahoo story contradicts that Moss was loved in the locker room, thoughts?>He quotes 1 source I've talked w many

I believe story in yahoo rpt is true but there are jagoffs in every locker room and didn't mean the guys wanted him gone. They didn't

So ur telling me moss was the 1st player in nfl history released because he was rude to people in the team's cafeteria. Ok, I'm on board

 

[Kontradiction]

Read the thread, genius.

And now the ad hominem attacks are coming. Good stuff.

I never said it didn't happen. Never. Not once. Nor did I imply it. I have said repeatedly that 1) it was not the reason he was released, and 2) the story came out later after Moss was released to help Chilly save face after Moss basically told the world that Chilly can't coach. Blame Moss. And you took the bait.

You asked me if I was there before and used my absence from the situation as a defense. In other words, you stated that there was a possibility that it didn't happen. Since then, the third of the four parties has come out and stated the EXACT same thing as the Vikings player did. And now you're saying that you didn't say what you said... if that makes sense. Keep going, man. This is quality reading.

I never said there was nothing wrong with it, which is what you claimed I did. Never, not once.

No, you never openly stated that there was nothing wrong with it. You're right. Instead, you implied that by the sarcastic undertone of your first post. "How dare he not be happy with the catering" basically comes to mean what I said.

I just don't thinks it's a huge deal compared to teabagging trainers and MMSing your dong.

Yes, those are bad. Now how to they excuse the fact that Moss could have acted differently and handled that situation a little bit better?

:ugh: What a clusterf*ck you are today.

Are you kidding? Really? Come on, dude. Don't be one of those guys.

In your post that I quoted, you don't seem to have a problem with his handling of the situation. In fact, you almost made an attempt to excuse it. If you had a problem with the way that he handled it, you would have said the same thing I did, which is something along the lines of "I understand that he probably didn't like the catering, but he could have handled it better".

This is getting sillier and sillier.

Sure it is. In your second post toward me, you pretty much conceded that he could have handled it better... and yet you're still going. Ask yourself why.

Interesting that my game is not to excuse Moss or assert that he handled the situation ideally. Funny how that correlates strongly to people making **** up on the internet. Sigh.

How could you possibly deny the tone of your first post? Why are you expecting people to read that and come away with the impression that you really weren't okay with his actions? Once again...

I mean, how dare anybody not like the catering and refuse to talk to the same media that ****s on him on a regular basis. The nerve!

And yet, you're still accusing me of making this up? These are your words.

Because it's endlessly entertaining to see asinine **** like this even exists in the world! Yay!

This isn't asinine. It's entertaining. You're now getting angry because I've used your own words against you.

Once again, you already admitted in your second post to me that you don't think he handled the situation in the best way possible. Why do you insist on continuing?