Are There Any Good RT's Available In Free Agency (or even swing OT's)

[mgteich]

Are there any good RT's available in free agency (or even swing OT's)?

Our incumbents are Wallace and Jacobs (a serious need to upgrade).

 

[PatsFan2]

Are there any good RT's available in free agency (or even swing OT's)?

Our incumbents are Wallace and Jacobs (a serious need to upgrade).

Jacobs is garbage.

 

[DaBruinz]

Considering how little Wallace played, you don't actually know what you have in him.

I agree that an upgrade is needed over Jacobs. Not sure why Caleb Jones wasn't ever given a shot there.

 

[Toofy]

I would say we sign trey Smith and move onwenu to RT and either trade him in 2026 or cut in 2027.

We paid him like a tackle and his performance has not been upto par. I hope it light a fire and he does some weight control this off-season. Too much entitlement. Wallace could be the swing tackle .

 

[jlu52]

I would say we sign trey Smith and move onwenu to RT and either trade him in 2026 or cut in 2027.

We paid him like a tackle and his performance has not been upto par. I hope it light a fire and he does some weight control this off-season. Too much entitlement. Wallace could be the swing tackle .

New sheriff in town. Mr. Onwenu will be in shape and motivated, Vrable will take special interest in him, I believe. We'll see, I guess.

 

[Zuma]

I would say we sign trey Smith and move onwenu to RT and either trade him in 2026 or cut in 2027.

We paid him like a tackle and his performance has not been upto par. I hope it light a fire and he does some weight control this off-season. Too much entitlement. Wallace could be the swing tackle .

Onwenu is a much better G then T and I think it diminished the line putting him at T. IMO he's going to lose weight before reporting to mini camp. He doesn't want Vrabel's wrath.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Morgan Moses would be a great add for RT, IMO. Still a quality starting option. Brings veteran leadership and attitude. He played hurt amidst a lost season for the Jets and was a consummate pro. Bring Moses in for a year at RT and let Wallace be the swing tackle. Inevitably there will be opportunities for Wallace to play due to injuries and/or extra OL packages, along with practice reps. The team can use that to evaluate if he's worth giving a shot at the starting RT spot next year since Moses is only being brought in for a year.

They should also be bringing in a starting caliber player at LT - one of Ronnie Staley (BAL), Dan Moore Jr. (PIT), Alaric Jackson (LAR), or Cam Robinson (MIN) in addition to Moses at RT. That's why I say Wallace as the swing tackle. If they draft another guy high then that could change, but I don't see OT as a spot they should take at #4 on this year's draft board and no one taken in the 2nd round or later should be penciled in as anymore than a swing tackle as a rookie. So they should be signing a starting LT and a starting RT in free agency.

I'd be ok with the Trey Smith idea and moving Onwenu to RT, but I don't love Onwenu at RT and think you might be robbing Peter to pay Paul there. Sure, Smith is phenomenal at RG, but now you're forced to play Onwenu out of position. I'd probably skip out on that type of contract for a RG, but depends on what else they'd do.

 

[Froob]

There are rarely quality OT in FAs.

 

[Toofy]

I would like us to sign Smith and redo what the chiefs did to us by signing thuney. The circle of luck should start to smile on us some time and this year hopefully should be the start of it.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Morgan moses contract runs out so he may hit fa.

Jack conklin is still a good trade option and a couple years younger than moses. He should be able to give us a couple years while wallace hopefully develops.

 

[hornetfb85]

I’m first checking on what it would take with Cleveland to get Conklin. Wallace can back him up and learn.
LT is a little harder for me. Kelvin Banks makes sense, but Abdul Carter is really peaking my interest.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I would like us to sign Smith and redo what the chiefs did to us by signing thuney. The circle of luck should start to smile on us some time and this year hopefully should be the start of it.

That’s exactly what I was thinking. Get some payback, and weaken KC; so we can beat them in the Conference Championship game.

 

[mgteich]

There are rarely quality OT in FAs.

there is a huge difference between the number of starters available at LT and RT this year.

Quality starters? I'm just interested in average starters: a LT starter and a backup LT that can start at RT until Wallace is ready to start.

 

[mgteich]

Morgan Moses would be a great add for RT, IMO. Still a quality starting option. Brings veteran leadership and attitude. He played hurt amidst a lost season for the Jets and was a consummate pro. Bring Moses in for a year at RT and let Wallace be the swing tackle. Inevitably there will be opportunities for Wallace to play due to injuries and/or extra OL packages, along with practice reps. The team can use that to evaluate if he's worth giving a shot at the starting RT spot next year since Moses is only being brought in for a year.

They should also be bringing in a starting caliber player at LT - one of Ronnie Staley (BAL), Dan Moore Jr. (PIT), Alaric Jackson (LAR), or Cam Robinson (MIN) in addition to Moses at RT. That's why I say Wallace as the swing tackle. If they draft another guy high then that could change, but I don't see OT as a spot they should take at #4 on this year's draft board and no one taken in the 2nd round or later should be penciled in as anymore than a swing tackle as a rookie. So they should be signing a starting LT and a starting RT in free agency.

I'd be ok with the Trey Smith idea and moving Onwenu to RT, but I don't love Onwenu at RT and think you might be robbing Peter to pay Paul there. Sure, Smith is phenomenal at RG, but now you're forced to play Onwenu out of position. I'd probably skip out on that type of contract for a RG, but depends on what else they'd do.

I agree with going after Moses. There doesn't seem to be much more.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

If the Patriots do sign Trey Smith...

Any team trading for Onwenu would only be on the hook for his guaranteed salary of $12M this year. They wouldn't be locked into any future money on him. We would save $6M on the cap by trading him before June 1st ($15M dead money in 2025) or $13.5M trading him after June 1st ($7.5M dead money in 2025 and another $7.5M in 2026).

They also have the option of converting some of that $12M salary to signing bonus before the trade. That amount would be retained on our cap and added to the dead money charge we take. If they traded him before June 1st the full amount they convert gets added onto the dead money charge. if after June 1st, it gets split half between 2025 and 2026 dead money charges.

IMO, if we sign Trey Smith, I'd rather trade Onwenu than stick him at RT. I'm tired of guys playing out of position and moving around. I want a real RT. Convert $6M of his salary to signing bonus so it's a net-nothing against the cap. I think he'd fetch a decent return if he's dealt on a 1 year, $6M deal with no further guarantees. He's still a good player, even if people here have a sour taste in their mouth on him. But Smith is younger and better. It's rare to actually get premium players in free agency and Smith would be the rare example of that, albeit probably the least valuable position in the sport besides specialists.

 

[DaBruinz]

I would say we sign trey Smith and move onwenu to RT and either trade him in 2026 or cut in 2027.

We paid him like a tackle and his performance has not been upto par. I hope it light a fire and he does some weight control this off-season. Too much entitlement. Wallace could be the swing tackle .

Why would you move Onwenu to a position that he doesn't play well at? That makes zero sense. I posted the numbers LAST YEAR before Onwenu was re-signed. RT was not a good position for him.

This idea that you have that they paid him like a tackle is BS. They paid him like a Top 3 OG. If you look at the RG salaries for the top 3 prior to last year, that is where Onwenu got paid. The 19M AAV put him behind Lindstrom and Hunt as the #3 RG.
Wallace should be given the chance to win the RT position. So should Caleb Jones. Mayo and AVP screwed up last year with no committing Wallace to RT. A position that he KNOWS how to play and would have gained a better understanding of the NFL game more easily. Instead, they did the wrong thing and tried to have him learn BOTH positions without giving him the adequate knowledge and preparation needed for either. They set him up for failure.

The Pats need a SWING tackle who can step in at RT if Wallace or Jones doesn't step up. But giving up on Wallace, a 3rd round pick, already and relegating him to back-up only, is the wrong tact when he played so little and lost so much time to injury.

A Swing tackle option would be Matt Peart from the Broncos. He's slightly above average in pass blocking and run blocking. He played both LT and RT last season, though RT was his better position. Give him a 3 year deal and offer him a chance to win the starting RT position against Wallace and Jones. And they can point the issues at both LT, LG and RT that they've had for a likelihood to get playing time.

Jack Driscoll of the Eagles could be another SWING Tackle option.

 

[DaBruinz]

Morgan Moses would be a great add for RT, IMO. Still a quality starting option. Brings veteran leadership and attitude. He played hurt amidst a lost season for the Jets and was a consummate pro. Bring Moses in for a year at RT and let Wallace be the swing tackle. Inevitably there will be opportunities for Wallace to play due to injuries and/or extra OL packages, along with practice reps. The team can use that to evaluate if he's worth giving a shot at the starting RT spot next year since Moses is only being brought in for a year.

Morgan Moses? The 34 year old? He's an OK starting option. Not sure I'd say quality, but ok. But he'd only be an option if Wolf decides it's ok to sign 30+ year olds.

They should also be bringing in a starting caliber player at LT - one of Ronnie Staley (BAL), Dan Moore Jr. (PIT), Alaric Jackson (LAR), or Cam Robinson (MIN) in addition to Moses at RT. That's why I say Wallace as the swing tackle. If they draft another guy high then that could change, but I don't see OT as a spot they should take at #4 on this year's draft board and no one taken in the 2nd round or later should be penciled in as anymore than a swing tackle as a rookie. So they should be signing a starting LT and a starting RT in free agency.

What makes you think that Moore and Jackson aren't getting tagged?
Staley from Baltimore is likely going to get a contract with Baltimore if he doesn't retire.

You'd be better off looking at Cornelius Lucas, who would be the Swing Tackle immediately and could start at LT for the Pats until a draft pick is up to speed. He's 3 years younger than Moses. But, he would only be an option if Wolf didn't hold to the No 30 year olds rule he had last year.

I'd be ok with the Trey Smith idea and moving Onwenu to RT, but I don't love Onwenu at RT and think you might be robbing Peter to pay Paul there. Sure, Smith is phenomenal at RG, but now you're forced to play Onwenu out of position. I'd probably skip out on that type of contract for a RG, but depends on what else they'd do.

I think bringing in Trey Smith would send the wrong message to the team. That the players fielded most of the blame and not the coaching for the last 3 years.

 

[DaBruinz]

That’s exactly what I was thinking. Get some payback, and weaken KC; so we can beat them in the Conference Championship game.

Trey Smith is no All-Pro the way Thuney is. He'd be a loss for the Chiefs, but wouldn't weaken them that much.

 

[Froob]

If the Patriots do sign Trey Smith...

Any team trading for Onwenu would only be on the hook for his guaranteed salary of $12M this year. They wouldn't be locked into any future money on him. We would save $6M on the cap by trading him before June 1st ($15M dead money in 2025) or $13.5M trading him after June 1st ($7.5M dead money in 2025 and another $7.5M in 2026).

They also have the option of converting some of that $12M salary to signing bonus before the trade. That amount would be retained on our cap and added to the dead money charge we take. If they traded him before June 1st the full amount they convert gets added onto the dead money charge. if after June 1st, it gets split half between 2025 and 2026 dead money charges.

IMO, if we sign Trey Smith, I'd rather trade Onwenu than stick him at RT. I'm tired of guys playing out of position and moving around. I want a real RT. Convert $6M of his salary to signing bonus so it's a net-nothing against the cap. I think he'd fetch a decent return if he's dealt on a 1 year, $6M deal with no further guarantees. He's still a good player, even if people here have a sour taste in their mouth on him. But Smith is younger and better. It's rare to actually get premium players in free agency and Smith would be the rare example of that, albeit probably the least valuable position in the sport besides specialists.

We have plenty of money. Don’t trade quality depth, it’ll work itself out.

 

[Froob]

Morgan Moses? The 34 year old? He's an OK starting option. Not sure I'd say quality, but ok. But he'd only be an option if Wolf decides it's ok to sign 30+ year olds.


What makes you think that Moore and Jackson aren't getting tagged?
Staley from Baltimore is likely going to get a contract with Baltimore if he doesn't retire.

You'd be better off looking at Cornelius Lucas, who would be the Swing Tackle immediately and could start at LT for the Pats until a draft pick is up to speed. He's 3 years younger than Moses. But, he would only be an option if Wolf didn't hold to the No 30 year olds rule he had last year.



I think bringing in Trey Smith would send the wrong message to the team. That the players fielded most of the blame and not the coaching for the last 3 years.

Are you saying you think coaching has been a bigger issue than the players? Both have been bad, but the roster is amongst worst in the NFL.

Sorry if I am taking the wrong message from what you wrote.