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Are the Patriots getting out-schemed?

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I can buy the injuries having an effect, but how about before Harrison and Thomas and Warren and Wilfork and Bruschi went down, when we were at full health, and still getting torched by lesser QB's in the first half of the season?

Was that due to talent or scheme issues?

oddly enough even last year the Pats were getting burned by 'lesser' QBs.

Remember

AJ Feely
Kyle Boeller
Derek Anderson
 
Didn't watch the game. I reviewed the "play by play" on the internet. I would note:

Seattle scored on the first two drives. The Pats are playing a team they haven't played in four years 3500 miles away. After those scores, Seatlle was pretty much shut down. The 63 yard Branch reception was a few inches from being a negative yardage play.

This says that after adjustments were made, the D did OK.
 
I know we're missing the league MVP (Brady), one of - if not the - best and most important player on defense (Thomas), our defensive leader in the secondary (Harrison), our starting running back (Maroney), a corner who would've been starting by now (Wheatley), our run-stuffing defensive end (Warren), our 3rd OLB who emerged as the replacement for our starter (Woods), our 3rd round pick who might've backd' up him (Crable), the SS-LB hybrid we were going to use in nickel packages (Tank), our special teams ace (K Washington), and I know we have, at times, played without, or with a banged up version of, our NT (Wilfork), our RG (Neal) & our RBs (Morris, Jordan), BUT....

Remember from 01-04 when you got the sense we went into games with a schematic advantage? We self-scouted our own tendencies, we knew the other team's offensive and defensive weaknesses, and that all contributed to us making the big play in big moments because we knew ourselves and the other team so well.

Fast forward to now and the past 3 years, you get the sense that we either go into games evenly matched scheme-wise, or even <gasp> out-schemed. What I mean by this is offensively we basically use the same shot-gun formation over and over, the same 5-10 plays over and over, telegraph what we are doing, and rely on EXECUTION against an increasingly adaptive defense/opponent. Defensively, we seem to use the same weak schemes over and over, less creativity and scouting in how to attack another team's offensive line or how to make their key player disappear from the game plan.

It seems like nowadays our wins are due to individual plays resulting from talent, rather than scheme and putting the right player in the right spot due to scouting.

Fixed your post for you. Come on, man - it's crazy to be doing anything but showering the coordinators with praise right now. We could field a quality NFL team from our IR right now. The fact that we're 8-5 and tied for the lead in the division is b/c the coaching staff is doing such a good job.
 
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Fixed your post for you. Come on, man - it's crazy to be doing anything but showering the coordinators with praise right now. We could field a quality NFL team from our IR right now. The fact that we're 8-5 and tied for the lead in the division is b/c the coaching staff is doing such a good job.

Precisely. And that should indicate how scary this team will probably be next year. Add that to the trial by fire for all the young guys and camp cut-down might be a bugger.
 
These points are overlooked because a story on the Pats will never have the phrase "devastated by injuries" in it.

It's comical that there are stories out explaining how Seattle was without their All Pro QB.
 
Precisely. And that should indicate how scary this team will probably be next year. Add that to the trial by fire for all the young guys and camp cut-down might be a bugger.

Yup, and would've been this year, if we hadn't hit all the injuries...especially the one to #12.
 
Remember from 01-04 when you got the sense we went into games with a schematic advantage? We self-scouted our own tendencies, we knew the other team's offensive and defensive weaknesses, and that all contributed to us making the big play in big moments because we knew ourselves and the other team so well.

Fast forward to now and the past 3 years, you get the sense that we either go into games evenly matched scheme-wise, or even <gasp> out-schemed. What I mean by this is offensively we basically use the same shot-gun formation over and over, the same 5-10 plays over and over, telegraph what we are doing, and rely on EXECUTION against an increasingly adaptive defense/opponent. Defensively, we seem to use the same weak schemes over and over, less creativity and scouting in how to attack another team's offensive line or how to make their key player disappear from the game plan.

It seems like nowadays our wins are due to individual plays resulting from talent, rather than scheme and putting the right player in the right spot due to scouting.

Yeah, that Belichick sucks. Give me that genius Holmgren anyday.

sarcasm*
 
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Oh come on. You're last two posts sound like Baghdad Bob.

Lack of speed? What lack of speed?

Very many quick players? well cornerbacks are supposed to be quick. There's Hobbs.

Meriweather, Mayo. Outside of the relatively quick 300-350 lb. DL, where else do you see quick?

And speaking of the DL isn't it wonderful to have three seasoned backups who can step in and get something done.

When was the last time we had one at linebacker, Marty Moore? Matt Chatham?

Ray - you must have been drunk when you responded with this gibberish because you basically said the same thing I did, though you left out Wheatley and Wilhite.

As for the last time the Pats had a seasoned veteran at LB, Junior Seau says "HI". You seem to forget that he started the season coming off the bench last year.
 
Last year Roosevelt Colvin. That's beautiful.

So if you can find anybody on the team that ran a good 40, we're quick.

You know other teams have cornerbacks and safeties too. Plus unproven 4th rounders and free agents.

I'll have to agree with you that we have some fast players on defense.

Unfortunately, everybody else in the league has more.

*sigh* No they don't. But there is clearly no point in arguing with you because you are just going to say "Uh huh. yes they do".
 
*sigh* No they don't. But there is clearly no point in arguing with you because you are just going to say "Uh huh. yes they do".

I'm assuming that no has noticed how many other teams are whining about their slow defense and bad pass D. The Jets are making headlines with their horrible-ified pass defense, which I think Mr. Cassel had a lot to do with exposing.
 
We have different players and personnel. Comparing past years is like comparing apples to oranges.

Out-schemed? You need to understand what a scheme is first.
 
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