Am I nuts or did Eugene Wilson...

[Kdo5]

Give Geno more time to see if he gets back to himself in 2004. I'm sure last years' disaster isnt an easy thing to shake off.

 

[hwc]

Let's not over-react.

Did Wilson miss a few tackles yesterday? Yes. Mostly as a result of over-pursing the play. It's game 2.

As for "getting turned around in the secondary": it is important to remember that the NFL has outlawed pass defense. Every secondary is going to give up plays with the current rules. That's a fact of life. The measure of the Pats secondary is how they do over the long haul.

I didn't see a lot of receivers running free yesterday. The secondary was keeping things in front of them, just as they are coached to do. They missed tackles on a couple of big plays. Such is life in the NFL.

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

Wilson whiffed the guy he didnt get a hand on him to make at least a reasonable attempt for a tackle. Once he slipped missed and got back and tripped up the reciever by the legs. So, take into consideration there were other DBs and players who were to blame for a lousy 2nd half.

I didn't like the CBs missing tackles and getting beat either. However, Wilson's a safety. As BB would say, a safety is called a safety for a reason. He NEEDS to make the tackles because he's the last guy. When a safety fails to make open field tackles, the results are disastrous for the defense.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

I didn't like the CBs missing tackles and getting beat either. However, Wilson's a safety. As BB would say, a safety is called a safety for a reason. He NEEDS to make the tackles because he's the last guy. When a safety fails to make open field tackles, the results are disastrous for the defense.

Great post.

Just to add, Wilson plays free safety. When a FS screws up, it's costly. Against Buffalo, Wilson allowed a couple of 3rd down completions. Against the Jets, Wilson was not only giving up completions, he seemed to be getting picked on by Pennington. Mangini knows plenty about the Pats DBs and the Jets going after Wilson speaks volumes.

From Mike Reiss...

Here is one nugget picked up from yesterday's game: The team had three missed tackles in the first half, in which it opened a 17-0 lead. In the second half, the Patriots had nine missed tackles.

Of those nine missed tackles in the second half, seven came on three crucial plays:

* Jerricho Cotchery's 71-yard touchdown (Chad Scott/Eugene Wilson miss)

* Laveranues Coles' 46-yard touchdown (Eugene Wilson/Mike Vrabel/Ellis Hobbs miss)

* Coles' third-and-six conversion that set up a field goal in the fourth quarter (Eugene Wilson/Asante Samuel miss)

Missed tackles are somewhat arbitrary. In this case, a play was recorded as a missed tackle only if the defensive player wasn't being blocked by a Jets player.

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

As for "getting turned around in the secondary": it is important to remember that the NFL has outlawed pass defense.

That's one way of looking at it. But when he commits outside and the receiver breaks inside with the cover guy (Wilson) having to do a 180 on the fly, by which time, his receiver has already caught the ball for a first down, then it's usually called poor coverage.

 

[patsox23]

He didnt really play well. He is a good player. These first two games havent been his best.

But you have got to be kidding me with this tackling crap. Blame Wilson for everyones crappy tackling. He whiffed or got juked a few times. But Scott missed, Hobbs missed, Samuel missed, one of the LBs on the Coles TD missed. And there is no blaming Wilson for the Crotchery TD.

I'm not blaming Wilson for "everyones crappy tackling," I'm blaming him for HIS crappy tackling. "He whiffed or got juked a few times???" That's a LOT. A "few times" in a single game is a lot. And it's way more than Hobbs, Rodney, etc... on that Coles run - aka "THE worst defensive play I have ever seen." It was on all those guys, I agree, but Wilson had that kind of thing happen several times, that's why we're singling him out here.

As for the Cotchery play, I agree with you - I don't have a problem with Scott OR Wilson on that. That was a fluke. Scott made a GREAT hit and the guy went down, he just happened to land on a Patriot player and (barely) didn't touch down on the turf. Anyone pointing to the Cotchery play for evidence of poor tackling is being petty and silly. But I do think defending Geno for yesterday's putrid performance is a bit of a stretch.

 

[State]

I'm sick and tired of Eugene Wilson looking tentative out there. With Rodney on the downside of his career we need a possessed headhunter who can tackle and not look like a deer caught in the headlights.

Sure, he'll improve. But so will my whiskey in the cellar.

Get rid of him now or put him as a CB. I'd rather have had Joe Klecko back there, like a rhino in heat, often screwing up but occasionally decapitating receivers.

Eugene Wilson is from Illinois, and nothing good comes from Illinois.

 

[patsox23]

Having said all that, I do agree with hwc that this is a problem that can be solved. As I mentioned in my initial post to this thread, this is not a sky-is-falling issue. But it's generated some good discussion, so there's that.

 

[Kdo5]

I'm not blaming Wilson for "everyones crappy tackling," I'm blaming him for HIS crappy tackling. "He whiffed or got juked a few times???" That's a LOT. A "few times" in a single game is a lot. And it's way more than Hobbs, Rodney, etc... on that Coles run - aka "THE worst defensive play I have ever seen." It was on all those guys, I agree, but Wilson had that kind of thing happen several times, that's why we're singling him out here.

As for the Cotchery play, I agree with you - I don't have a problem with Scott OR Wilson on that. That was a fluke. Scott made a GREAT hit and the guy went down, he just happened to land on a Patriot player and (barely) didn't touch down on the turf. Anyone pointing to the Cotchery play for evidence of poor tackling is being petty and silly. But I do think defending Geno for yesterday's putrid performance is a bit of a stretch.

I'm not defending him. He played badly yesterday. But I wont blame him for most of our problems. Hemade some bad mistakes. But what did we have Wilfork jumping through and throwing Pennington on his but when no one moved, Seau diving into Penningtons knees...many penalties...personal fouls...everything. In the second quarter definitley many players to blame. Wilson was just one of the more notable ones.

 

[Kdo5]

I'm sick and tired of Eugene Wilson looking tentative out there. With Rodney on the downside of his career we need a possessed headhunter who can tackle and not look like a deer caught in the headlights.

Sure, he'll improve. But so will my whiskey in the cellar.

Get rid of him now or put him as a CB. I'd rather have had Joe Klecko back there, like a rhino in heat, often screwing up but occasionally decapitating receivers.

Eugene Wilson is from Illinois, and nothing good comes from Illinois.

Over reaction much.

 

[patsox23]

Wilson wasn't the only player to have a bad day, but Seau's penalty for a low-blow was ridiculous. He was pushed into him by Seymour, who was pushed by the jet OL. No flag should have been thrown.

 

[Kdo5]

Wilson wasn't the only player to have a bad day, but Seau's penalty for a low-blow was ridiculous. He was pushed into him by Seymour, who was pushed by the jet OL. No flag should have been thrown.

I'll have to look back at it. But originally to me I thought once the play was over I'd see Pennington down in the backfield rolling around in pain.

 

[mgcolby]

I'm not blaming Wilson for "everyones crappy tackling," I'm blaming him for HIS crappy tackling. "He whiffed or got juked a few times???" That's a LOT. A "few times" in a single game is a lot. And it's way more than Hobbs, Rodney, etc... on that Coles run - aka "THE worst defensive play I have ever seen." It was on all those guys, I agree, but Wilson had that kind of thing happen several times, that's why we're singling him out here.

The play was bad but if that was the worst you ever seen than may I suggest last year's Chiefs vs Giants game. The entire game was full of plays tremendously worse than that.

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

From Mike Reiss...

Here is one nugget picked up from yesterday's game: The team had three missed tackles in the first half, in which it opened a 17-0 lead. In the second half, the Patriots had nine missed tackles.

Of those nine missed tackles in the second half, seven came on three crucial plays:

* Jerricho Cotchery's 71-yard touchdown (Chad Scott/Eugene Wilson miss)

* Laveranues Coles' 46-yard touchdown (Eugene Wilson/Mike Vrabel/Ellis Hobbs miss)

* Coles' third-and-six conversion that set up a field goal in the fourth quarter (Eugene Wilson/Asante Samuel miss)

Missed tackles are somewhat arbitrary. In this case, a play was recorded as a missed tackle only if the defensive player wasn't being blocked by a Jets player.

Nine missed tackles in a half? Man, I didn't realize there were so many. Suffice to say, I think we know at least one thing BB will be working on during the week. In all fairness though, the Cotchery play was a fluke, but eight missed tackles is still too many. Just curious why Scott's ahead of Gay on the rotation.

 

[skri65]

It's week 2. Thing's will improve.


Now it's time to freak out!!!