Addai's excellent performance fires up Maroney

[sebman2112]

So far, in comparison to the hype, in many ways Bush has been the biggest bust.......Yes, he brings the double threat.....but is MOST effective catching the ball in the flat...and unfortuneatly has the "crazy feet" like Maroney has shown...Addai is not a dancer....He hits the hole and GOES........Maroney needs to also do that....once you have the opening and/or commit to the play...........take it and GO with it.....don't try to get the extra juke......happy feet etc.......See the opening...take it and commit to it........GO PATS!

It helps when there's running lanes three feet wide to run through, instead of having to make defenders miss in the backfield.

 

[lapatsfan]

No offense, but I am tired of reading these Colts comparison threads.

 

[PATRIOT64]

god forbid anyone should say that MAYBE just maybe Addai may end up better than Maroney and the others of the 2006 RB draft - too early to tell

Stop using excuses on 'players in the right system' please,If Maroney excels in this offense we will be saying he is the greatest of all time,I guess that means he would not be good if he was drafted on another team,right? - because by some of you homers, if you ain't on the Patriots you are just a product of THIER system and would not be very good elsewhere - thats ******ed.

In homerville as some of you have demonstrated if a guy is not on your team he is not very good or is overated,I guess Maroney will end up better than Addai,Bush,and Jones Drew just because he ended up on the Patriots but if Addai was here last year he would have been the best of the 2006 RBs and for good reason,not because of the system - Even if Maroney ends up being average he will still be the best back of all 4 top picks in the 2006 draft in the eyes of homerville residents..... GIVE ME A F-CKING BREAK!!!

I guess Terrell Davis would have been an average back on another team and don't forget Marshall Faulk who is a future HOFer - Wait a minute - Was he not on a team with a high powered offense passing game like the Colts? - Was Emmitt Smith not on a high powered passing game like the Cowboys - Bet he would have sucked elsewhere too

You get where I am coming from? - You are taking 1 PLAYER like James and using it as an example of why a young player is not so good as he looks - Ridiculous,There are lots of RBs on high powered passing offenses over years past that had HOF careers and likely would have done similar on another team as well - If what you are saying is true than all HOF players were a product of their team's system.

If Maroney ends up as an average back and Addai,Bush or Jones Drew is a HOFer it would not be surprising - Way too early to tell - By what I have read in some past posts some of you have already put Maroney's bust in the HOF with 1 decent but not spectacular rookie campaign - Give it time please before calling other RBs of last year below average or crappy ect:

Now give me the flame please,Cause I know homers will not agree

 

[sebman2112]

god forbid anyone should say that MAYBE just maybe Addai may end up better than Maroney and the others of the 2006 RB draft - too early to tell

Stop using excuses on 'players in the right system' please,If Maroney excels in this offense we will be saying he is the greatest of all time,I guess that means he would not be good if he was drafted on another team,right? - because by some of you homers, if you ain't on the Patriots you are just a product of THIER system and would not be very good elsewhere - thats ******ed.

In homerville as some of you have demonstrated if a guy is not on your team he is not very good or is overated,I guess Maroney will end up better than Addai,Bush,and Jones Drew just because he ended up on the Patriots but if Addai was here last year he would have been the best of the 2006 RBs and for good reason,not because of the system - Even if Maroney ends up being average he will still be the best back of all 4 top picks in the 2006 draft in the eyes of homerville residents..... GIVE ME A F-CKING BREAK!!!

I guess Terrell Davis would have been an average back on another team and don't forget Marshall Faulk who is a future HOFer - Wait a minute - Was he not on a team with a high powered offense passing game like the Colts? - Was Emmitt Smith not on a high powered passing game like the Cowboys - Bet he would have sucked elsewhere too

You get where I am coming from? - You are taking 1 PLAYER like James and using it as an example of why a young player is not so good as he looks - Ridiculous,There are lots of RBs on high powered passing offenses over years past that had HOF careers and likely would have done similar on another team as well - If what you are saying is true than all HOF players were a product of their team's system.

If Maroney ends up as an average back and Addai,Bush or Jones Drew is a HOFer it would not be surprising - Way too early to tell - By what I have read in some past posts some of you have already put Maroney's bust in the HOF with 1 decent but not spectacular rookie campaign - Give it time please before calling other RBs of last year below average or crappy ect:

Now give me the flame please,Cause I know homers will not agree

First, while Terrell was one heck of a back it's very obvious that for years since the Broncos have basically plugged in any RB and had good results. Are you f*cking blind to this guy? Second, I didn't just use Edge to prove my point I used Rhodes, and the fact the Colts new backup who is effectively a nobody even looked good. F*ck, even James Mungro had decent games for the Colts back in 2002. The point to all this is that while Addai is a good RB (I never said he sucked) he's just better on the Colts than he'd likely be elsewhere. Also, Talking about New England's lacking offensive weapons in 2006 to help spread the field for Maroney isn't at all a homer thing to say. It's the facts. Did the Patriots not have a lack of solid WR's for the majority of the 2006 season? Did Maroney not have to make defenders miss in the backfield during the playoffs? Incidently, I've always thought Maroney would be the better back of the two, and not simply because the Patriots drafted him. Unlike some I actually wanted the Patriots to draft him and said I thought he would be the better back BEFORE the draft. Now go find yourself an actual "homer" to sling your BS at.

Oh, and Emmit Smith is among my all-time favorite players with talent/ability that was undeniable.

Edit: I'd also like to add that the Patriots have plenty of players currently on the roster and players who are now long gone who's success was basically a product of the system. I find it funny that the Patriots can have players that many of us have thught of as "system players" but god forbid any of us say someone on the Colts just might be a product of the system...

 

[cstjohn17]

I guess Maroney will end up better than Addai,Bush,and Jones Drew just because he ended up on the Patriots

Not to mention Jim Brown, Walter Payton, etc.

From what I have seen Addai is better period. Better blocker, better receiver and about the same as a runner.

I hope like hell that Maroney can be a consistent 1000-1200 yard back otherwise he has under achieved as a first round pick. My biggest fear with Kool Aid is his build, he is a little upright and a little slender. Addai seems to have a shorter more compact build which in general is preffered for a running back.

Personal confession - Jones-Drew was may favorite coming out of the draft. I saw some of his college games and he defines excitement, both as a runner and a returner. He may be short but he is very thick.

 

[sebman2112]

Not to mention Jim Brown, Walter Payton, etc.

From what I have seen Addai is better period. Better blocker, better receiver and about the same as a runner.

I hope like hell that Maroney can be a consistent 1000-1200 yard back otherwise he has under achieved as a first round pick. My biggest fear with Kool Aid is his build, he is a little upright and a little slender. Addai seems to have a shorter more compact build which in general is preffered for a running back.

Personal confession - Jones-Drew was may favorite coming out of the draft. I saw some of his college games and he defines excitement, both as a runner and a returner. He may be short but he is very thick.

I like the little guy as well, and maybe he could end up being the better back of the four, but I hope the guy wearing a #39 Patriots jersey trumps him

Question though, why do you see Maroney as being "slender"? He's over 220lbs right now, that's a pretty good size for a RB, and he seemed to be quite the bruiser while weighing less during the early parts of his rookie season.

 

[PATRIOT64]

First, while Terrell was one heck of a back it's very obvious that for years since the Broncos have basically plugged in any RB and had good results. Are you f*cking blind to this guy? Second, I didn't just use Edge to prove my point I used Rhodes, and the fact the Colts new backup who is effectively a nobody even looked good. F*ck, even James Mungro had decent games for the Colts back in 2002. The point to all this is that while Addai is a good RB (I never said he sucked) he's just better on the Colts than he'd likely be elsewhere. Also, Talking about New England's lacking offensive weapons in 2006 to help spread the field for Maroney isn't at all a homer thing to say. It's the facts. Did the Patriots not have a lack of solid WR's for the majority of the 2006 season? Did Maroney not have to make defenders miss in the backfield during the playoffs? Incidently, I've always thought Maroney would be the better back of the two, and not simply because the Patriots drafted him. Unlike some I actually wanted the Patriots to draft him and said I thought he would be the better back BEFORE the draft. Now go find yourself an actual "homer" to sling your BS at.

Oh, and Emmit Smith is among my all-time favorite players with talent/ability that was undeniable.

First of all you are taking this as you were the only poster in this thread - If you look above you there was a poster who said Addai was just average in College and a crappy player - I don't see where I linked you as the person to solely criticize - Are you paranoid?


Maroney has to prove the can make decisions before hitting an open hole,once he does OR IF he ever does learn then he will be a good player

Bush has also looked a bit undecided at times running the ball - once of if he picks that up he will also be good

Addai lacks a bit of speed compared to the other 3 guys IMO that is the only flaw I see right now,Although he does hit the hole quickly when an opening develops and has played well and better than the others - SO FAR

Jones Drew I have not seen enough of but looks to be a very good developmental player for the Jags- He had some nice runs against the Pats last year

 

[PATRIOT64]

Not to mention Jim Brown, Walter Payton, etc.

From what I have seen Addai is better period. Better blocker, better receiver and about the same as a runner.

I hope like hell that Maroney can be a consistent 1000-1200 yard back otherwise he has under achieved as a first round pick. My biggest fear with Kool Aid is his build, he is a little upright and a little slender. Addai seems to have a shorter more compact build which in general is preffered for a running back.

Personal confession - Jones-Drew was may favorite coming out of the draft. I saw some of his college games and he defines excitement, both as a runner and a returner. He may be short but he is very thick.

I agree with most of your thoughts although the guy I thought that might be the surprise of the Backs in the 2006 draft was Lendale White who has the power - If only he could stay away from McDonalds he will be very good maybe like a Mike Alstott player (although Alstott was a FB) IMO.

 

[Franchise12]

I think many of you are going to be surprised at how well maroney plays this year.

just take a look at last year.

1. marvin harrison, reggie wayne, dallas clark and peyton make addai the fourth or fifth option to stop on offense. advantage Addai.

2.matt jones, jimmy williams, ernest wilford. are like 6'3 ,6'4 and are a mich mach for defenses. that takes some of the heat off of maurice jones drew. advantage drew.

3.doug gabriel, reche caldwell, troy brown, jabbar gaffney and a struggling chad jackson doesn't necessarily command defenses to double team in the secondary like the colts, jaguar and saint receivers do. after tom brady, maroney is the next to defend on offense. thats why we saw so many extra defenders in the box. a dancing maroney was a result of running lanes being flooded by extra defenders playing closer to the line of scrimmage.

now fast foward to today.....

with the speedy donte stallworth, Randy Moss,a slot nightmare in wes welker, an emerging ben watson and arguably the best qb in the game its hard to believe that maroney wont have the same success in the running game as an addai or jones-drew. this offense will see more deep safetys and less safety's cheating up into the box. with maroney now the 4th or fifth person to defend on offense its safe to chalk the advantage up to maroney.

my projection:
Maroney: 1,308 yds, 8 TD's

Addai:1,200 yds, 10 TD's

Bush:989 yds (450 yds receiving) 9 TD's

Drew:1,100 yds, 9 TD's.

 

[cstjohn17]

Question though, why do you see Maroney as being "slender"? He's over 220lbs right now, that's a pretty good size for a RB, and he seemed to be quite the bruiser while weighing less during the early parts of his rookie season.

It is more appearance combined with running style, the best build seems to be shorter stockier players (Emmitt, LT, etc.) about 5'9 - 5'10 and around 220. I like Maroney but we don't need 1600 yards from him if he can get 15-20 carries a game and average around 4 YPC he will end up with about 1000 - 1300 yards. The main thing is that is stays on the field.

 

[cstjohn17]

my projection:
Maroney: 1,308 yds, 8 TD's
Addai:1,200 yds, 10 TD's
Bush:989 yds (450 yds receiving) 9 TD's
Drew:1,100 yds, 9 TD's.

Now you are talking, I won't even venture a guess for receiving but for rushing here are my picks:
Maroney: 1,100 yds, 8 TD's
Addai:1,400 yds, 10 TD's
Bush:900 yds 7 TD's
Drew: 950 yds, 6 TD's plus a ton in special teams

 

[workhorse]

Any crappy back will look good in Colts offense... Addai is nothing special he was average in college he is average now... all Colts did were get a young back who is fast and pretty big, but they got him for a cheap rookie contract... now he is gonna put up the numbers (because no team cares about him, they want to stop manning and the passing O) and then Colts will send Addai to Arizona for a 1t round pick where he would suck *****

You are way over simplifying things. If any crappy running back could run there, they would not have spent a 1st round pick. There were other middle of the road running backs in the draft and plenty of crappy ones. No need to waste a number one pick if that was the case.

 

[Franchise12]

i just put bush's receiving totals there because hes such a different back. he makes his living at receiver. actually many people thought that with the lack of quality receivers in his draft class, if he declares as a WR he would have been the 3rd or 4th receiver taken.

 

[Franchise12]

You are way over simplifying things. If any crappy running back could run there, they would not have spent a 1st round pick. There were other middle of the road running backs in the draft and plenty of crappy ones. No need to waste a number one pick if that was the case.

agreed. Addai fits what the colts do and hes a great talent.hes a very decisive runner. sure he benefits a little from a great supporting cast but who doesnt. I thought he was a very underrated back coming out of the draft. all the pats fans here would love him if he were here. you guys got a very good back. I expect alot of maroney Vs. Addai threads in the near future and that would be a breath of fresh air considering the fact I think we all had our share of the manning vs. brady threads.

 

[workhorse]

agreed. Addai fits what the colts do and hes a great talent.hes a very decisive runner. sure he benefits a little from a great supporting cast but who doesnt. I thought he was a very underrated back coming out of the draft. all the pats fans here would love him if he were here. you guys got a very good back. I expect alot of maroney Vs. Addai threads in the near future and that would be a breath of fresh air considering the fact I think we all had our share of the manning vs. brady threads.

No doubt.

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[spacecrime]

So it sounds like you go Addai, Maroney, then Bush. Exactly opposite of what I thought. In terms of your comments:

Bush had 88 receptions last year for 8+ yd avg. Including 132 in the NFCCG - which is 2/3rds of what Maroney had all year (194). Bush also had a 65 yd kick return. And about Bush's low avg per carry ...compared to other playoff totals wasn't so bad.. does 5 for 5 (1.0) and 8 for 13 (1.6) sound familiar to anyone?

I agree that Bush is a terrific third down receiving back. No question.

But a RB? Bush? Weak. And comparing Bush's average for the year with Maroney's worst game isn't the way to prove Bush is any good.

And taking his one good return as proof that he was a better returned?

That's pretty weak.

You want to pick the rookie RB who has done the best so far? Take the blind test. Put these 2006 rookies in the order you think is best:

Player A:
3.6 ypc, longest = 18 yds

Player B:
4.3 ypc, longest = 41

Player C:
4.8 ypc, longest = 41

Player D:
5.7 ypc, longest = 74(touchdown)

 

[spacecrime]

I expect alot of maroney Vs. Addai threads in the near future and that would be a breath of fresh air considering the fact I think we all had our share of the manning vs. brady threads.

Personally, I'm waiting for the Gonsalez vs Welker threads, and the Vinatieri vs Gostkowski threads (though those probably won't be around after this year). But you know we are getting obsessive when we start seeing the Dan Klecko vs LeKevin Smith threads!

 

[Real World]

i dont feel its fair to compare young RBs to Addai because of where he is.

his offense has been dominant before him and still is. hes got the best WR duo..2nd best QB. great OL (holds a lot)

hes talented but #s should never really brought up with any RB in Indy when comparing to someone else.'

Maroneys situation will become similar(good WRs..great QB..good OL) but its gonna take more than a year

He's the perfect back for the Indy offense. Addai is going to have a huge year simply because of how Indy can spread you out, and single back you to death. Playing 8 home games on that fast turf helps too. I wouldn't be surprised if he rushes for 1,500 yards this year. He'll have a ton of 10+ yard runs this year. Indy's problem is that they will give up 25+ a game easily as the season rolls along.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Well the thing is that if Indy falls behind too quickly they will have to abandon the running game and stick to passing to catch up. But Indy counts on scoring first then making the other team play on their heels. When they do that their defense can load up, and they are at their best.

Addai probably will have better numbers than Maroney. But I think the numbers won't matter as much to the Pats as getting a consistent effort from Maroney each night. As our starter he can't afford to get shut down every other night. Laurence ran tentatively at times last season but Ill attribute some of that to rookie jitters and getting used to the offense. Now is the time for him to shine. He's got the keys to the Caddy, let's see him drive it!

 

[PATRIOT64]

Well the thing is that if Indy falls behind too quickly they will have to abandon the running game and stick to passing to catch up. But Indy counts on scoring first then making the other team play on their heels. When they do that their defense can load up, and they are at their best.

Addai probably will have better numbers than Maroney. But I think the numbers won't matter as much to the Pats as getting a consistent effort from Maroney each night. As our starter he can't afford to get shut down every other night. Laurence ran tentatively at times last season but Ill attribute some of that to rookie jitters and getting used to the offense. Now is the time for him to shine. He's got the keys to the Caddy, let's see him drive it!

I didn't know the Patriots only played NIGHT games