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  1. PatriotsReign

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    If it takes $100m to fund a team/stadium and that generates an increase of 5000 new jobs for hotels, restaurants, parking, shopping centers, health shops, airline flights, etc., then I’d say it’s worth it. I’d say Cities like Green Bay, Charlotte, Detroit and Cleveland would get more benefit than costs if they funded new stadiums. NFL teams bring a lot to their fanbase.

    I’d bet New England & especially, Massachusetts has generated far more tax revenues from the Pats staying here than it costed Kraft to build Gillette.
     
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    Cool story bro, Let me know how Minnesota is doing. At least Boston had the balls to tell Bob Kraft to piss off.

    And I disagree with you. I don't think anyone benefits from funding 100's of millions of dollars into some owners private playground. Not to mention how it makes the city a hostage. They could leave any time they want if they don't get what they want. Meanwhile the taxpayers are left with the bill.
     
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    So we disagree, not a big deal. But this conversation isn’t just about nfl teams, it’s about local and state governments investing in businesses. Many states offer and give big businesses tax abatement to attract them to their state. It’s worth that investment if the jobs and increases in tax revenues balance out.

    I love what Kraft has done for Foxboro and the surrounding communities. Bob Kraft is a great businessman and and an even better person.

    Big battles fuel big tax breaks to lure new business to New York
     
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    Seems the NFL Players association was a problem for them. Perhaps they thought there might be consessions along the way. A big one for them was age, they wanted access to younger players and got a no on that.

    It appears they needed $20 million to finish the season and he lost $70 million. The $20 million seems like a minor issue. Finishing the season and negotiating more concessions might have been better but not my money.
     
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    Study after study has shown the benefits very seldom outweigh the costs.

    As for what the public wants, the point of representative democracy (as opposed to direct democracy) is to ignore the public when the public wants idiotic things.
     
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    Disappointing. Also probably foolish. So you didn't get what you want from the NFLPA. People were still coming out to see the games. The quality of the league was improving hand by hand. A couple of franchises were actually filling their stadiums. you didn't have the whole NFL fanbase, but you were starting to make headway. This was something that could have been built upon, even if you didn't get your way.

    There are ways to do what the league wanted without ruffling the feathers of the NFLPA. A lot of practice squad types are vagabonds that are free agents nearly every offseason, I doubt there's any binding rule that prevents these players from signing with the AAF or any other league in the offseason to showcase their talent and try to rise above the practice squad level. The D league thing didn't have to happen overnight.

    If the AAF had put a few years behind them and proved that they could be quality football, not only would fans watch (football is football after all) but once you've been around for awhile the negotiations with both the NFL and NFLPA are going to get easier, not harder. Especially if the AAF can pay some kind of salary to players who are only drawing practice squad money and UDFAs who need a chance to prove they're NFL caliber. That's your D-league fodder, and if it works out for them, then the NFL and NFLPA will come to the table.

    The AAF tried to grab everything at once, got only some of what it wanted and shut the doors in a fit of petulence. Idiotic IMHO, and makes me believe there was indeed more to this than the best interests of the AAF itself. Because judging it on that basis alone what happened was absolutely ridiculous.
     
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    Well, that was quick. Seems like a lot of people invested a lot of $$ but they didn't have a good plan to get the thing off the ground.
     
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    That "fit of petulence" was apparently a 'fit' of under capitalization. The league couldn't meet it's expenses. Just a thought but perhaps what was truly ridiculous was kicking off an inaugural season without having secured the hard funds to at least see that season through.
     
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    Its about time we send all these massive entities their bills. Worcester has some of the highest property taxes in mass. Why? Colleges dont pay their share, and suck up huge amounts of property within the city, for starters. You know, the colleges that already get a massive subsidy based on the fact that you can't lose student dept like you can other bad dept through bankruptcy. The same colleges downplaying the costs based on subsidized gov't loans. The same colleges that charge kids 200k for a useless degree in the 17 gender identities but claims it should get a tax break because of the great service they provide teaching the thinkers of society. The same colleges (and public school systems) ignoring major businesses' cry for tech skills, critical thinking (outside of how offensive my shoe laces are), math and science. These businesses are turning to "uneducated" folks that have been in the real world and worrying about the paper later as the drivle coming out of universities are so clueless (with high success).

    This same story plays over and over again. Large (too large imo, ymmv) corporate entities brandy their size and theoretical jobs to get sweetheart deals and avoid taxation. The public foots the bill, and the pols get to brag. Then when theres a school funding squeeze everyone loses their mind. Or road repairs wait and damage the highly taxed vehicles driven on roads supposedly paid for through taxes to be maintained (how often you see town/cities ponying up for ball joints? ). Meanwhile, if you tax the corporation that wants to be here in the first place, then maybe you can fund all the things needed adequately, and put some coin aside for the youth outreach we are going to desperately need due to the enabling of junkies dragging their kids around while they get their "medicine." You drink and drive with a kid and dcf will have something to say. Why is it ok to go get dosed at the clinic (they have free babysitting!), then grab your kid and drive off?
     
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    AFAIK, Minnesota is doing just fine. If you have evidence to the contrary feel free to present it. For some reason, you seem to think other people should be researching a point you are trying to make.
    To deny that there are benefits to keeping an NFL team around is ridiculous. You could argue that it doesn't outweigh the cost, although I think that is actually a case-by-case basis.
     
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    AAF players who could get another shot at the NFL

    QB Garrett Gilbert, Orlando: A former high-profile high-school recruit, Gilbert has always had tools, but has never realized his potential. He led the AAF with 2,152 passing yards, and posted an impressive 13–3 TD–INT ratio.
     
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    I think the answer is simple, if a municipality doesn’t think it’s worth it to provide tax incentives to a business, they should let them walk.

    Problem solved!
     
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    Why am I not surprised that Bill Polian didn't have a plan beyond 'right now'?
     
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    I've never seen a post so right about some things and so wrong about others.
     
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    That's true. If you're starting a new league you should have enough money for at least 3 years of operation already lined up. It's going to take that long to really build storylines and rivalries that create interest in the league and to give at least some of your franchises a good chance to claw their way into the black.

    That said, the quality of the AAF was rapidly improving and they were starting to really attract some interest, if they'd had the funding in the first place they would have had a real chance to succeed It's really sad the way it ended.
     
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    I'd take him. he's clearly willing to work to prove himself, he has some talent, and best of all, he won't cost a draft pick. Let him understudy the best quarterback in the world and see what he becomes. Take a guy with some talent and a real hunger for football recognition, give him to Brady for a couple years, and see what happens. you could do a lot worse

    I'm just curious who signs Younghoe Koo. He's going to get an NFL contract. Good kickers are too hard to find for me to think otherwise.
     
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    Gator Mike Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    FWIW, NFL teams are now allowed to sign AAF players.

    KC has already snapped up Keith Reaser, a CB from Orlando.
     
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    Will the Patriots take a shot at any of these guys or have they moved on
    completely to the draft? Ellington and Harris could use a little competition.
     
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    Gator Mike Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    I watched more AAF football than was reasonable.

    Two guys I'd like to see the Pats take a look at, both from Salt Lake - TE Nick Truesdell, and EDGE Karter Schult.
     

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