A Question about Dwight Freeney.

[Hok]

If he is in the final year of his rookie contract, it is my understanding that he is a RFA. Is this right thinking?

This is so wrong on so many levels, it makes my head hurt.

 

[Digger44]

This is so wrong on so many levels, it makes my head hurt.

Welcome to the board Hok. That is why the post was formed as a question. Please feel free to spread you wealth of knowledge and help some out who don't know how the RFA system works.

 

[pats1]

Welcome to the board Hok. That is why the post was formed as a question. Please feel free to spread you wealth of knowledge and help some out who don't know how the RFA system works.

Ahem...

A) Dwight Freeney is signed through 2008.

B) Whether a player is on their rookie contract or not doesn't matter. A player is a resticted free agent when he has 3 accredited seasons. If more than that, he's an unrestricted free agent. If less, he's an exclusive rights free agent.

Dwight Freeney signed a 7-year contract in 2002, when he was drafted:

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1. DE Dwight Freeney (Syracuse/No. 11 overall) -- Signing bonus: $3,000,000. Base salaries: $944,000 (2002); $1,180,000 (2003); $1,416,000 (2004); $1,652,000 (2005); $1,888,000 (2006); $2,124,000 (2007); and $2,360,000 (2008). Notes: Team can exercise option-buyout on 2008 season with $3,000,000 payment next spring. If exercised, base salaries are reduced to $300,000 (2003); $391,000 (2004); $600,000 (2005); and $765,000 (2006). The 2007-2008 seasons are voided with minimal playing time. Total: seven years, $14,564,000, or five years, $9,000,000. Cap value: $1,372,000.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/afc/draftsignings2002.html


Here's his more current base salary numbers:

Quote:
2006 5000000.00
2007 1001000.00
2008 1237000.00

http://nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=32987


When the 2008 league year is up, he'll be an unrestricted free agent.

The only case where he would be a restricted free agent would be if he was a free agent after the 2004 league year and had been on the roster long enough in 2002-4 to get an accredited season (3 games, I believe, I.R. and PUP included). Obviously, that wasn't the case. Since he now has 4 accredited seasons under his belt, he's an unresticted free agent for life.

 

[Hok]

Please feel free to spread you wealth of knowledge and help some out who don't know how the RFA system works.

Pats1 already did that in the third post of the thread.

For further clarification, there's this page on the NFL's own website, which I found using a simple google search for "nfl free agency":

"Restricted free agents are players who have completed three accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired."

Freeny is ineligible for restricted free-agency on two levels - the first and most obvious is that he is still under contract, which you yourself acknowledged in this thread's original post (although you got the length wrong, claiming that he's in the final year of his contract when in reality he has three more years left). How could he be a FREE agent if he is under contract - not free, but bound to a single team?

Secondly, even if Freeny was a free agent, he would be unrestricted, since he has completed more than three accrued seasons in the league. But he won't be a free agent until his contract expires, which is after the 2008 season.

Maybe I just value self-reliancy more than others, but in these days of Google, Wikipedia, and the like, I find it a more rewarding experience to dig up for myself information that I seek, rather than asking others to give it to me.

 

[Digger44]

Pats1 already did that in the third post of the thread.

For further clarification, there's this page on the NFL's own website, which I found using a simple google search for "nfl free agency":

"Restricted free agents are players who have completed three accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired."

Freeny is ineligible for restricted free-agency on two levels - the first and most obvious is that he is still under contract, which you yourself acknowledged in this thread's original post (although you got the length wrong, claiming that he's in the final year of his contract when in reality he has three more years left). How could he be a FREE agent if he is under contract - not free, but bound to a single team?

Secondly, even if Freeny was a free agent, he would be unrestricted, since he has completed more than three accrued seasons in the league. But he won't be a free agent until his contract expires, which is after the 2008 season.

Maybe I just value self-reliancy more than others, but in these days of Google, Wikipedia, and the like, I find it a more rewarding experience to dig up for myself information that I seek, rather than asking others to give it to me.

Oh so ty for the sarcasm. since it was covered in the 3rd post already ty for taking the time and glorifying yourself in making further comment. glad to hear you are self reliant, maybe you don't need this board then. have fun troll.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

And then in Dwight's specific case there is this:

For any of you kiddies not interesting in sparing with Colt trolls, this article from IndyStar says Freeney is signed through 2006 and the Colts are planning on signing him and/or Mathis to long term deals this season. If they get one done and not the other they will use the tag on the unsigned one.

A potential problem for us (re: any Seymour deal) is the presumption any deal Freeney signs will make him the highest paid defensive player in the league.

"Irsay provides input on personnel matters and signs the checks, but president Bill Polian and coach Tony Dungy collaborate on how best to structure the roster. That requires prioritizing. Most recently, it meant retaining wide receiver Reggie Wayne, defensive ends Raheem Brock and Robert Mathis and linebackers Gary Brackett and Cato June at the expense of James, Thornton, Tripplett and kicker Mike Vanderjagt, who signed with Dallas.
"Reggie and Raheem were the priorities for a lot of reasons -- their position, their age,'' Irsay said.

The next order of business is locking up Mathis and Dwight Freeney, one of the NFL's best pass-rush tandems, on a long-term basis. Each is under contract through the 2006 season. Freeney is in the final year of his rookie contract and will count $6.18 million against the cap, while Mathis signed a one-year, $2.069 million contract as a restricted free agent.

"We're going to keep Mathis and Freeney,'' Irsay said. "And to get those two guys done . . . we had to look at our roster in anticipation of how we're able to conform to the cap and do these things.''


http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060325/SPORTS03/603250465/1100

I think it's safe to assume the Colts would know about these things. Obviously the dummy 6th and 7th years in his rookie contract were voided when he met whatever minimum requirements allowed for them to be. Mannings current deal was originally a 9 year $108M deal, but it voided to a 7 year $98M deal after he met certain minimum requirements in the first year of that deal.

 

[arrellbee]

NFLPA.com still lists salaries for Freeney for 2007 and 2008 for whatever that means.

 

[Hok]

Oh so ty for the sarcasm.

"Ty?"

And there was no sarcasm in my post. It was all rather straightforward.

since it was covered in the 3rd post already ty for taking the time and glorifying yourself in making further comment.

Oh, "ty" is "thank you." Those extra seven keystrokes it takes to write out the whole phrase must be a killer.

glad to hear you are self reliant, maybe you don't need this board then.

Well, most of my posts are over on the KFFL board, but I come here too to catch whatever content hasn't been cross-posted.

have fun troll.

First time I've been called that.

Maybe you just caught me in a bad mood.

 

[ilduce06410]

wait a minute

NFLPA.com still lists salaries for Freeney for 2007 and 2008 for whatever that means.

you dolts fans are supposed to know this stuff cold. if ya don't, then go play in someone else's sandbox.
if ya do, then just keep going your bogus franchise's games, wave that blue-and-white stufrf that isn't yours, and cheer your squad. this is about as good as it's gonna get for you people.
unless your baseball team wins the world series. oops! well, maybe your NHL franchise will get close to the Stanley Cup. hey! i thought it was Indy with a team, but no, that's....Columbus Ohio!
well anyway, maybe you can get the Columbus franchise in a couple years, or Charlotte. then you could take a shot at the dodgers or somebody.
happy hunting!

 

[Digger44]

"Ty?"

And there was no sarcasm in my post. It was all rather straightforward.


Oh, "ty" is "thank you." Those extra seven keystrokes it takes to write out the whole phrase must be a killer.


Well, most of my posts are over on the KFFL board, but I come here too to catch whatever content hasn't been cross-posted.


First time I've been called that.

Maybe you just caught me in a bad mood.

TY again troll. Glad you figured out TY on your own. Must be your self reliance kicking again.

 

[pats1]

Little girls - isn't this thread about the contract status of Dwight Freeney?

 

[Hok]

TY again troll. Glad you figured out TY on your own. Must be your self reliance kicking again.

See how effective self-initiated investigation can be? A cursory search of the internet led me to this helpful image:

Just to be sure, maybe I'll start a thread asking what "ty" means, other than a shortened version of "Tyrone."

 

[Caspir]

You might want to start thinking 8-8 season. The way you guys are losing players and picking up no one. Good Luck. You were a dynasty and now it's over. Nice job winning the three, but now it is our turn. Watch, listen, learn and remember................

I love how a Colts fan is ending his posts with "watch, listen, learn, remember." We do watch. We watch the game tape of Peyton looking like he's doing quantum physics at the line whenever NE is around. We listen to the post game speeches after the Lombardi ishoisted. We learn that BB is the best coach in the league, Brady > Manning on every level, and that talk is cheap. We remember the first Super Bowl, the second one, the third one, and assorted ass whippings of Indy along the way. YOU need to watch, listen, learn, and most of all remember.

 

[workhorse]

Hey then! This must be the year!

Unless Joe Willie guarantees it's not. Owwww, zing from the past.

But it's okay, you guys have won it since then... Didn't you take out Miami a couple years later? like, 35 years ago or so?

I'm really sorry, Workhorse. I know this has to sting. But it really doesn't matter who steps into that Colts uniform, at least til your current generation of leadership passes. There's something that stops you guys when you're close. Maybe it's the unrealistic self-perception you get, rolling over the "okay" teams, playing at regular season intensity... then every year, like clockwork, the good teams get healthy (or close,) step it up, and beat you guys when it counts.

Out of excuses dude. This year sealed it for me. The Steelers? You guys couldn't get past the STEELERS? I could see if you were going to have to face your arch-nemesis again, the Pats, how you could choke on that. But the Steelers now own you too?

05 was gonna be THE YEAR!

Don't tell me. The second string water boy had a headache that day. It was about to snow real hard. The field was in bad shape. The other team was touching your receivers.

Here's an idea. Maybe if you guys ditch Dungy and go get Chucky. That worked for Tampa.

PFnV

From what I saw...the Steelers "owned" everyone in the playoffs. It really doesn't sting FWIT. I have the benefit that I know the Colts have been, and will be in contention year in and year out. Not many other teams can say that. And when that is the case, you just need one or two thing to fall your way and it's a different story. Just ask the Steelers. Sure I want them to win it all, but only one team can do that each year. BTW, how did a question about Freeney's status turn into another Colts suck thread?

 

[ruacoltsnut]

YOU need to watch, listen, learn, and most of all remember.

Nice job of coming up with something on your own. You should be proud. Everytime you wear blue, think of me! Or anytime you take someone elses words, think of me! You make me proud! Good boy! Now sit!

 

[RoadGrader]

The Patriots shouldn't touch Freeney with a 10 foot pole - or any other length pole, for that matter.

Freeney is a pure pass rushing DE. He does not control a DL space on the line of scrimmage. Consequently, he only tackles runners if they happen to run into him. He is also not a pocket-collapsing DE. All of his moves are to go around offensive linemen rather than push them into the pocket. Impossible to utilize a player like that in a Patriot's defense, much less a 3-4 defense which counts heavily on the DE to be a run stopper as well as pass rush.

Freeney is inexplicably over-hyped by the media. He makes his stats mostly against weak offensive lines and is mostly ineffective against the stronger lines - when the Colts need him the most. You can look at his performance on the field and listen to the commentators and what they are saying doesn't match what he is doing. For example, in the last playoff game with the Patriots, the commentators kept talking about the Patriots having to double team Freeney all of the time. In fact, the Patriots only double teamed him twice the whole game - and, ironically, both of those were the only times he was able to put pressure on Brady.

In that game, the Pats ran frequently to Freeney's side of the line. He did not make ONE single tackle (I think he was credited with one or an assist, but I slo-moed the whole game and I couldn't find it). Matt Light handled him one-on-one the whole game and basically shoved him out of any effect on pass rush or runs. Even Ashworth handled him one-on-one a few times when Freeney switched to the left DE spot. Matt Light is certainly a solid OT but not necessarily considered one of the top OTs and he had no trouble whatsoever with Freeney. The Pats need DEs that show up in the tough playoff games.

:agree: arrellbee.....

the only thing I've found with more spin moves that actually accomplishes something is

 

[arrellbee]

:agree: arrellbee.....

the only thing I've found with more spin moves that actually accomplishes something is

..... ......

 

[arrellbee]

From what I saw...the Steelers "owned" everyone in the playoffs. It really doesn't sting FWIT. I have the benefit that I know the Colts have been, and will be in contention year in and year out. Not many other teams can say that. And when that is the case, you just need one or two thing to fall your way and it's a different story. Just ask the Steelers. Sure I want them to win it all, but only one team can do that each year. BTW, how did a question about Freeney's status turn into another Colts suck thread?

In contention, perhaps, but next year's schedule is going to be an interesting one for the Colts. 4 games against the AFC East and 4 games against the NFC East (hello physical) and games against Pittsburgh and Cincinatti. That should be 10 VERY interesting games. And the Jaguars seem to have an interesting roster for next year. Come back in the middle of next season and let's compare W/L records !!