49ers hire Eric Mangini as consultant

[belichick010405]

Holy s***! I really did get under your skin. My night is complete!

No - it is called deep sarcasm toward you and because you are too dumb to realize it. That - and I don't put up with the **** that comes from people like yourself.

 

[Gunnails]

Personally I think BB is pissed at Mangini. Not in a lose sleep sort of way, for the most part I am sure he has moved on.

I could see them having a meal together and talking old times, but I can't ever see Mangini working under BB again.

It's a business and I am not surprised to see Mangini back in the NFL.

 

[Tunescribe]

Personally I think BB is pissed at Mangini. Not in a lose sleep sort of way, for the most part I am sure he has moved on.

I could see them having a meal together and talking old times, but I can't ever see Mangini working under BB again.

It's a business and I am not surprised to see Mangini back in the NFL.

BB does not TRUST him. He raised and trained him from a pup, gave him a home and lots of responsibility, and the ratdog turned around and bit his master hard in the ass. I hardly think they ever will "dine" together again.

 

[Triumph]

Personally I think BB is pissed at Mangini. Not in a lose sleep sort of way, for the most part I am sure he has moved on.

I could see them having a meal together and talking old times, but I can't ever see Mangini working under BB again.

It's a business and I am not surprised to see Mangini back in the NFL.

Manginis house in Nantucket is close to BBs.

Ive read that they talk periodically, but that things will never be the same.

 

[goheels22002]

Manginis house in Nantucket is close to BBs.

Ive read that they talk periodically, but that things will never be the same.

Mangini calls up and asks Belichick if he can do favors for him to try and repair the relationship. Mangini offers to do things like bring the newspaper in from the street on Sunday mornings, pick up some milk at the convenience store, mow Belichick's lawn when he's out of town, sit in the front of the row boat and say Hail Mary's, and take the knife out of Belichick's back. It's kinda sweet.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL - Rob. He was not surprised that he became a head coach. He didn't want him to become a head coach for a couple of reasons at the time.

Mangini told him that the Jets interviewed him to be their next HC.

BB told him that he wanted him to stay so that he could be groomed as his successor considering that Crennel and Weis had already left with their shot at being head coaches.

You have to remember that BB and Mangini go way back to Wesleyan. BB was Mangini's mentor and he wanted Mangini to take over. In fact, had Mangini been patient - I would bet my bottom dollar that Mangini would have been HC of the Patriots following the 2009-2010 season.

Actually BB advised Mangini not to take the Jets job because of ownership.
He didn't advise him to not go to another team, he advised him the Jets were a mess and it would be a bad decision.

As far as Mangini being the successor, there is a huge stretch involved there. McDaniels was further along.
The Wesleyan connection is that they both went there, they do not 'go back to Wesleyan together'.

I totally have no clue why you would think BB would have retired 3 years ago, because he clearly didn't and appears to have no intention to any time soon.

 

[RobAllan]

Manginis house in Nantucket is close to BBs.

Ive read that they talk periodically, but that things will never be the same.

There once was a Mangini from Nantucket

It's almost too easy...

 

[Ring 6]

Oh - I see. So you are just one of those Social Security guys that sat in the nosebleed sections for decades and thought that they knew it all because you were there during the days of Ron Erhardt. This must be why you must feel that you are entitled to being right when in fact you are wrong and have probably been wrong since the 1960s'.

This post belongs in the message board Hall of Fame/Shame.

First you told him he must be wrong because he must be a new fan.
Then when he informs you he has been a fan over 50 years, you turn on a dime and 'prove' you are right by creating a new group to put him in and calling that entire group ignorant.
Perhaps you should discuss the points instead of trying to create an association of the poster to a group that you can call yourself better than, then claim you have to be right because you are better than all of them.

I mean at this point you are arguing that it is a fact that BB bears no hard feelings toward Mangini and his disrepsctful actions toward his mentor, as if you have personal knowledge. Disclose how you have it or admit you are simply guessing. The fact is that anyone outside of their own circles of influence are simply guessing at BB and Mangini's relationship and feelings toward each other.

 

[JoeSixPat]

BB does not TRUST him. He raised and trained him from a pup, gave him a home and lots of responsibility, and the ratdog turned around and bit his master hard in the ass. I hardly think they ever will "dine" together again.

I agree - and I think that has more to do with moving on to the Jets without Belichick's blessing.

Belichick takes care of his own. The "stab in the back" was to move on to a division rival, taking inside knowledge etc. My guess is that if Mangini stayed he'd have had multiple head coach offers the following years - and let's not forget how young he was at the time too - absolutely no need to rush.

Mangini calling Belichick on employing sideline cameras in the first game of 2007 given the new memo from Goodell in 2006? I don't think Belichick was happy about that but he'd point out a rule violation against any coach he could too.

The fact that Goodell proceeded to feign horror that play call filming was happening (when their own rules allow it) and making an "example" of Belichick - that's really on Goodell's shoulders. Mangini could not have known how off the charts Goodell would have flipped out about that.

So the Spygate "scandal" really rests squarely with Goodell's insistence on going overboard to foster the perception that signal calling is not allowed - when it continues today (as noted by coordinators still covering their mouths when calling in plays)

 

[flasox27]

I agree - and I think that has more to do with moving on to the Jets without Belichick's blessing.

Belichick takes care of his own. The "stab in the back" was to move on to a division rival, taking inside knowledge etc. My guess is that if Mangini stayed he'd have had multiple head coach offers the following years - and let's not forget how young he was at the time too - absolutely no need to rush.

Mangini calling Belichick on employing sideline cameras in the first game of 2007 given the new memo from Goodell in 2006? I don't think Belichick was happy about that but he'd point out a rule violation against any coach he could too.

The fact that Goodell proceeded to feign horror that play call filming was happening (when their own rules allow it) and making an "example" of Belichick - that's really on Goodell's shoulders. Mangini could not have known how off the charts Goodell would have flipped out about that.

So the Spygate "scandal" really rests squarely with Goodell's insistence on going overboard to foster the perception that signal calling is not allowed - when it continues today (as noted by coordinators still covering their mouths when calling in plays)

The fact remains that when the opponents filmed the Pats in the same manner, the opposing team was asked to just move the cameras, no federal case was created. It was only when the gutless backstabber Ratgini screamed for league security to remove the Pats cameraman that it became a big issue. It gave the Piece of Sh=t commissioner and former Jets employee the excuse to punish the Pats in a totally unprecendented manner and tarnish our reputations unfairly. Anybody who thinks that that incident will ever be forgotten or forgiven, is living in an alternate reality where unicorns and fairies dwell.

 

[belichick010405]

Actually BB advised Mangini not to take the Jets job because of ownership.
He didn't advise him to not go to another team, he advised him the Jets were a mess and it would be a bad decision.

As far as Mangini being the successor, there is a huge stretch involved there. McDaniels was further along.
The Wesleyan connection is that they both went there, they do not 'go back to Wesleyan together'.

I totally have no clue why you would think BB would have retired 3 years ago, because he clearly didn't and appears to have no intention to any time soon.

Yea - that was one of the reasons why Belichick advised him not to take the Jets HC position.

If you knew how to read, you would have read from me that there a number of reasons why BB didn't want Mangini to take the Jets job and that was clearly a documented case that was published in the media as to one of the reasons why because Belichick spurned the Jets because of the same ownership issues that they were having when they brought in Mangini for an interview.

Belichick had the same concerns when he was with the Patriots regarding the Jets ownership situation and he did look to Mangini as the coaching future of the Patriots whether you like it or not.

As for my sources regarding how and when Mangini was going to be looked to as the next head coach for the Patriots as BB's successor, that is none of your business and I can say that considering my work in the Boston sports media field with NESN and the Patriot Ledger.

Finally - I never said that Mangini and Wesleyan went to school together. I said that their relationship developed because of their Wesleyan connection and it was in part because they were a part of the same fraternity.

Have a nice day Andy.

 

[JoeSixPat]

The fact remains that when the opponents filmed the Pats in the same manner, the opposing team was asked to just move the cameras, no federal case was created. It was only when the gutless backstabber Ratgini screamed for league security to remove the Pats cameraman that it became a big issue. It gave the Piece of Sh=t commissioner and former Jets employee the excuse to punish the Pats in a totally unprecendented manner and tarnish our reputations unfairly. Anybody who thinks that that incident will ever be forgotten or forgiven, is living in an alternate reality where unicorns and fairies dwell.

Again, that's pretty much all on Goodell's shoulders - not Mangini.

When Belichick called on the camera to be taken down it was in the stands though - not on the sidelines in violation of the memo. Goodell know Belichick was making a point too - so he wasn't about to take the bait and help Belichick by making a big deal of a signal filming camera in the stands - where his own rules allowed.

Unfortunately few in the media, and hardly any fans (from other teams) were intelligent enough to see Belichick's point in his protest. Signal stealing cameras are placed all around the stadium (and I'd assume there's some telescopic mics as well) - all in accordance with NFL rules.

But I can't imagine Mangini had any idea of the extent to which Goodell would over-react. Who really could?

Don't get me wrong - I have no love for Mangini - he betrayed Belichick the day he took the job as the HC of the NYJ. But let's place the responsibility for the Spygate "scandal" where it's deserved - at Goodell's feet.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Yea - that was one of the reasons why Belichick advised him not to take the Jets HC position.

I believe that was in fact at least one publicly stated reason.

But let's not kid ourselves. You're given the opportunity to be groomed as a HC under Belichick there's like an unwritten rule that you don't then turn around and take positions with AFC East rivals.

Aside from that, when was the last time Belichick was entirely truthful with the media?

Let's not insult Belichick by suggesting that his interest is not in the best interests of his team first (as opposed to Mangini's) - that's what makes him a great coach.

 

[belichick010405]

I believe that was in fact at least one publicly stated reason.

But let's not kid ourselves. You're given the opportunity to be groomed as a HC under Belichick there's like an unwritten rule that you don't then turn around and take positions with AFC East rivals.

Aside from that, when was the last time Belichick was entirely truthful with the media?

Let's not insult Belichick by suggesting that his interest is not in the best interests of his team first (as opposed to Mangini's) - that's what makes him a great coach.

Couldn't agree more.....Mangini should have been patient and had he been patient, BB would have been in the front office by now and Mangini would be running the sideline.

 

[TomPatriot]

You really don't know when to stop do you?

Here are some facts for your ass -

Erhardt - Parcells - Belichick - Mangini - Daboll

It is called a coaching line in case you didn't know what that is.

I think you mean coaching tree. And you forgot Fairbanks, who groomed Erhardt. Daboll might be a bit of a premature addition.

 

[belichick010405]

I think you mean coaching tree. And you forgot Fairbanks, who groomed Erhardt. Daboll might be a bit of a premature addition.

Thanks Tom......It was the same sentiment either way. As for Daboll - I think that it is clear that the Pats have long-term plans for him as well above and beyond what he did prior to leaving with Mangini and now that he is back in the fold.

 

[Claremonster]

If you think it's "just fluff" to Belichick, you're kidding yourself.

BB was fined $500k. His team was screwed out of a 1st round pick. Media and fan scrutiny for the rest of his life.

Yeah, Mangina will most certainly be on BB's perma $#!t list.

 

[RayClay]

Should have just titled it "Eric Mangini hired as consultant."

It's not untrue and it's offseason. Would have been good for a laugh.

 

[flasox27]

Funny how its the 49ers hired the Rat. They have a history of cheating the cap and were punished with loss of draft choices. But a real commissioner did make a federal case of it like the piece of sh=t who occupies the office now.

 

[flasox27]

Again, that's pretty much all on Goodell's shoulders - not Mangini.

When Belichick called on the camera to be taken down it was in the stands though - not on the sidelines in violation of the memo. Goodell know Belichick was making a point too - so he wasn't about to take the bait and help Belichick by making a big deal of a signal filming camera in the stands - where his own rules allowed.

Unfortunately few in the media, and hardly any fans (from other teams) were intelligent enough to see Belichick's point in his protest. Signal stealing cameras are placed all around the stadium (and I'd assume there's some telescopic mics as well) - all in accordance with NFL rules.

But I can't imagine Mangini had any idea of the extent to which Goodell would over-react. Who really could?

Don't get me wrong - I have no love for Mangini - he betrayed Belichick the day he took the job as the HC of the NYJ. But let's place the responsibility for the Spygate "scandal" where it's deserved - at Goodell's feet.

I generally agree with your assessment but the Rat and Tannenbaum don't have clean hands even if they were used as tools of the POS.