2011 Offseason

[IllegalContact]

Whomever you were replying to with that first quote just got a smoking gun about your lack of understanding. Nice job!

more nothingness

keep telling yourself that you understand something

 

[IllegalContact]

You Jets fans aren't too bright. When did playing in a 3-4 or 4-3 make any difference. So Reggie White wasn't one of the greatest DEs of all time becaise he only played in a 4-3?

I've got news for you, you idiot! The type of defense a player can play has nothing to do how good he is as an overall player.

try relevance for a change.......were we talking about reggie white? nope


so how has carter made this defense better?

dope

 

[Rob0729]

try relevance for a change.......were we talking about reggie white? nope


so how has carter made this defense better?

dope

Carter is the best pass rusher this team has had in year. It isn't saying much, but that is a clear fact. It is clear that he is far better than TBC was last year hence why TBC was a backed up Jermaine Cunningham who doesn't even dress right now. Without Carter, this defense would be significantly worse right now. He was a very good pick up for Pats. As a Jets fan, you might not have realized this.

As for Reggie White, you have this stupid theory that if a DE doesn't play the 3-4 that he is not as good as a DE who can be a 3-4 OLB. Reggie White was probably the best 4-3 DE all time, but he would have probably sucked in a 3-4 because he was too big to play OLB and probably too small for DE.

 

[randomk1]

Carter is the best pass rusher this team has had in year. It isn't saying much, but that is a clear fact. It is clear that he is far better than TBC was last year hence why TBC was a backed up Jermaine Cunningham who doesn't even dress right now. Without Carter, this defense would be significantly worse right now. He was a very good pick up for Pats. As a Jets fan, you might not have realized this.

As for Reggie White, you have this stupid theory that if a DE doesn't play the 3-4 that he is not as good as a DE who can be a 3-4 OLB. Reggie White was probably the best 4-3 DE all time, but he would have probably sucked in a 3-4 because he was too big to play OLB and probably too small for DE.

Why would you think that Reggie White would suck as a 3-4 end. By the latter part of his career he was no smaller than Seymour and the dude had ****** strength.

 

[IllegalContact]

Why would you think that Reggie White would suck as a 3-4 end. By the latter part of his career he was no smaller than Seymour and the dude had ****** strength.

he doesn't.......he is just trying to support his stupid argument with irrelevance....white has nothing to do with carter. he's just convinced himself that carter has been better than TBC even though carter can't step into coverage to save his life

 

[IllegalContact]

Carter is the best pass rusher this team has had in year. It isn't saying much, but that is a clear fact. It is clear that he is far better than TBC was last year hence why TBC was a backed up Jermaine Cunningham who doesn't even dress right now. Without Carter, this defense would be significantly worse right now. He was a very good pick up for Pats. As a Jets fan, you might not have realized this.

As for Reggie White, you have this stupid theory that if a DE doesn't play the 3-4 that he is not as good as a DE who can be a 3-4 OLB. Reggie White was probably the best 4-3 DE all time, but he would have probably sucked in a 3-4 because he was too big to play OLB and probably too small for DE.

you brought up reggie white, not me.......he doesn't have anything to do with this point, so stop trying to deflect

 

[Darolyn72]

Read this again. This article is SOO spot on.

10 Critical Mistakes the New England Patriots Have Made in 2011

 

[SyN65]

Read this again. This article is SOO spot on.

10 Critical Mistakes the New England Patriots Have Made in 2011

Very spot on. A lot of that can apply to the last 4 years as well.

 

[JackBauer]

he doesn't.......he is just trying to support his stupid argument with irrelevance....white has nothing to do with carter. he's just convinced himself that carter has been better than TBC even though carter can't step into coverage to save his life

Carter has been markedly better than TBC, and it beggars belief that there is a single poster on this forum who would argue otherwise.

 

[Deus Irae]

more nothingness

keep telling yourself that you understand something

Keep clowning yourself. TBC better than Carter? Dowling sucked in his limited time?




Good comedy.

 

[PatsFan2]

Read this again. This article is SOO spot on.

10 Critical Mistakes the New England Patriots Have Made in 2011

I cannot believe we didn't make a pitch for Antonio Cromartie he's leagues ahead of any CB on our roster. And i love Devin Mc.

 

[Doggin94it]

Because usually even in zone coverage, the LCB covers the primary WR most of the time. Yes, he gets over the top help and may pass him off on certain routes, but zone coverage still requires the CB to cover the receiver in that zone many times by himself.

Again, this is silly. It presumes that teams don't move their best receivers at all to get better matchups (false; unless the better CB is moving with the receiver) and that receivers generally run routes into zones covered by the man lined up across from them (also not necessarily true).

So your point basically breaks down to "McCourty sometimes has zone responsibility for the area in which the opponents primary receiver is located"

 

[reflexblue]

Read this again. This article is SOO spot on.

10 Critical Mistakes the New England Patriots Have Made in 2011

Excellent article.......

 

[Doggin94it]

You Jets fans aren't too bright. When did playing in a 3-4 or 4-3 make any difference. So Reggie White wasn't one of the greatest DEs of all time becaise he only played in a 4-3?

I've got news for you, you idiot! The type of defense a player can play has nothing to do how good he is as an overall player.

It makes a difference when your coach is a 3-4 coach who prefers to play the 3-4 if at all possible, and your pre-existing LBs are better suited for the 3-4 than the 4-3. Belichick went with the 4-3 because he was forced to by circumstances, not because he believes it is a better defense given the context

 

[IllegalContact]

It makes a difference when your coach is a 3-4 coach who prefers to play the 3-4 if at all possible, and your pre-existing LBs are better suited for the 3-4 than the 4-3. Belichick went with the 4-3 because he was forced to by circumstances, not because he believes it is a better defense given the context

why do you even bother with that moron?

 

[IllegalContact]

Carter has been markedly better than TBC, and it beggars belief that there is a single poster on this forum who would argue otherwise.

how so?

what has carter contributed to make this defense better?

I could care less what others argue.....carter was literally theonly real change in personnel.......he might be a better player than TBC, but the pats have not benefitted in any way by his addition and the defensive scheme change that had to go along with this addition......this defense is much worse than last years.....by adding carter, you automatically remove one body from possible coverage.....it DID NOT WORK

 

[IllegalContact]

Keep clowning yourself. TBC better than Carter? Dowling sucked in his limited time?




Good comedy.

you're entitled to your opinion......say it and it must be true, right?

tell me how dowling did, then

 

[Rob0729]

how so?

what has carter contributed to make this defense better?

I could care less what others argue.....carter was literally theonly real change in personnel.......he might be a better player than TBC, but the pats have not benefitted in any way by his addition and the defensive scheme change that had to go along with this addition......this defense is much worse than last years.....by adding carter, you automatically remove one body from possible coverage.....it DID NOT WORK

Are really this dumb? If you are judging Carter's impact to how the OVERALL defense is this year compared to the OVERALL defense last year, then you are really stupid. He is one player so you look at the contribution from that player. Does Andre Carter really affect the fact that the safety position is significantly worse this year than last year.

The pass rush is more effective this year than last. The Pats pressured Eli Manning 21 times this past Sunday. Last year it could take several weeks to pressure a QB that much. Carter is showing a huge improvement on the outside rush this year from last year. He doesn't play in the secondary or LB where most of the problems this team has been having.

 

[Rob0729]

It makes a difference when your coach is a 3-4 coach who prefers to play the 3-4 if at all possible, and your pre-existing LBs are better suited for the 3-4 than the 4-3. Belichick went with the 4-3 because he was forced to by circumstances, not because he believes it is a better defense given the context

Not true. The Patriots have been shifting away from a 3-4 for a while now. The Pats were mostly in a 4 man front all of last year. Besides, the Pats' 4-3 isn't much different than their 3-4 instead of the outside guy with his hand in the dirt rather than standing.

The reason why Belichick has shifted mostly to a 4-3 this year is because the league has changed so much that the defense is mostly in subpackages (which are almost exclusively 4 man fronts) and he felt with no offseason it was easier to stay in a four man front almost exclusively than try to make the team learn multiple defense. That is his own explaination. Besides, the Pats have done a lot of 3-4 in a handful of games. It isn't like they abandoned it all together.

You do realize that this 3-4 coach won a Super Bowl with the Patriots playing almost exclusively a 4-3. He ran the 4-3 in 2001 for the last 3/4 of the season and the playoffs.

 

[IllegalContact]

Are really this dumb? If you are judging Carter's impact to how the OVERALL defense is this year compared to the OVERALL defense last year, then you are really stupid. He is one player so you look at the contribution from that player. Does Andre Carter really affect the fact that the safety position is significantly worse this year than last year.

The pass rush is more effective this year than last. The Pats pressured Eli Manning 21 times this past Sunday. Last year it could take several weeks to pressure a QB that much. Carter is showing a huge improvement on the outside rush this year from last year. He doesn't play in the secondary or LB where most of the problems this team has been having.

yes, carter does affect things given he has no ability to cover .... obviously, pass rush or not, losing the ability to drop 8 into coverage when he is in there has been a problem, and can directly affect safety performance. maybe you should lear about the 2 schemes before you bother to spout.

fact is, the pats were better off with TBC in the 3-4 than carter in the 4-3.......otherwise, the bottom line would be different......the scheme change has adversely affected each individual in the entire unit.


why are you so angry?