This helps explain why BB has never traded *into* a draft

[ctpatsfan77]

The Most Botched NFL Draft Pick Ever

[ETA: Trading into a draft means giving up a future pick to get an extra one this year. The Bucs did that in 1982, and look what followed.]

Draft Disasters
From 1983-94, the Bucs had 12 consecutive double-digit losing seasons — an NFL record. It’s a stretch that can be directly tied to a decade of disastrous drafts, started by the Reese debacle in 1982.



The Bo Jackson one is the most interesting one: he believed that Tampa intentionally sabotaged his attempts to play baseball in an attempt to sway him to play football. As a result, he refused to sign with them after they drafted him. As a result, the Bucs ultimately had to relinquish his rights, and the Raiders selected him in the draft the next year.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Your right and to this day he still hates Tampa Bay.

 

[RayClay]

You really have to know what you're trading for. So much working against you by trading up. First is salary. probably less now with rookies, but you're still paying more for that position.

This is part of the reason BB succeeds. He trades down often to get more chances with lower salary players and makes only small trade ups when his guy is out there Chandler, High, Light.

More players, less average salary and it's not an exact science, so he gets players who play far above their draft positions, then cuts the ones that don't pan out.

You could turn around a bad team in a couple of years, personnel wise, if you took those 2 very high draft years and trade down for 10 plus picks a year.

Pick up a few over the hill vets for leadership, then continue with the BB formula.

Of course they won't, which is why they are bad.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

You really have to know what you're trading for. So much working against you by trading up. First is salary. probably less now with rookies, but you're still paying more for that position.

I'm not talking about trading up in a draft; believe it or not, BB does that almost as frequently as he trades down (e.g., he traded up to get Matt Slater).

I'm talking about trading into a draft—namely, trading a future year pick to get an extra pick this year (e.g., giving up next year's 2 to get a 3 in this year's draft).

 

[RayClay]

I'm not talking about trading up in a draft; believe it or not, BB does that almost as frequently as he trades down (e.g., he traded up to get Matt Slater).

I'm talking about trading into a draft—namely, trading a future year pick to get an extra pick this year (e.g., giving up next year's 2 to get a 3 in this year's draft).

Oh. BB would do that for the right player, but yeah, it's usually stupid, since you're automatically losing value each year.

He actually doesn't trade up much. Trading a low pick to move a couple spots to get your guy isn't the same as trading half your draft for a top ten pick. don't think he's done that.

Whatever. it's all just stupid drafting.

 

[neuronet]

I'm not talking about trading up in a draft; believe it or not, BB does that almost as frequently as he trades down (e.g., he traded up to get Matt Slater).

I'm talking about trading into a draft—namely, trading a future year pick to get an extra pick this year (e.g., giving up next year's 2 to get a 3 in this year's draft).

Probably would be helpful to edit this into the original post because I had no idea what it meant so was basically confused.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

While I don't disagree with the principle of the post, I think they could find a bunch of better examples than Desmond Howard...come on...

And the 12 years of ineptitude had far more to do with a terrible franchise with terrible scouts and terrible management and terrible coaching and terrible owners than one draft day trade. The Bears picked 6th overall in 1983, missed on Marino, but still won a Super Bowl a few years later. The Bucs were just ****.

 

[Joey007]

When the Hell was Chris Chandler ever worth a 2nd overall pick..?

I understand Tampa didn't know their record going into the next year, but the expectations had to be pretty low..

 

[TomPatriot]

Reese? Did they trade their first round pick for a bag of peanut butter cups?

 

[Deus Irae]

So BB has never traded "into" a draft because the Buccaneers personnel department has sucked for most of its history?

 

[Off The Grid]

"Into" seems like a strange term to apply to describe that kind of Trade.

I'm not sure what Term I'd suggest, though....

 

[Off The Grid]

Yeah, I've gone with "Trading Forward" which makes sense, right, 'cause you're sort of FastFowarding Future Assets at a Discount...But then "Forward" speaks of course to the Future, therefore "Trading Forward" could just as easily apply to the other side of that Trade. My Brain hurts.

 

[Off The Grid]

Maybe "FastFoward Discount Trading" will cover it, actually. Sounds pretty greasy, but then...it is!!

Any way you slice it, it's Mortgaging the Future and generally stupid, of course...unless I do it.