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Patriots Rumor A.J. Brown trade rumors heat up - Should Patriots get him?

A report indicating the Patriots are potentially in the market for this player, or have expressed or plant to express interest.
I think it's too high a price to pay and have said that repeatedly, but the fact remains that a first round pick 2 years away is and always has been considered the same value as a 2nd round pick next year.

That does happen in other rounds but I am not aware of specific examples in which a team traded a future #1 for a current #2 straight up. However, playing along, if a 2027 #2 is equal to a 2028 #1 then trade the 2027 #2. Trading a future, unconditional #1 for an aging player is simply unacceptable and horrible management. Hopefully the Krafts will say no to this. Who gives a crap if Vrabel wants his guy back. He's in no position to demand that overpay at this time.
 
High end WR2 my... Doubs have Never sniffed 800yds; I think we are Reaching a bit here.
Green Bay's offense tends to spread the wealth around versus featuring any specific skill player. Doubs is only 26, so just starting to hit his prime. Perhaps I am being a bit too aspirational with a high WR2 designation.

Only more reason why we need AJ Brown.
 
I'm seeing more and more rumors that Gonzo for AJ is what's on the table. Not sure that these are credible sources but there's no ****ing way our FO would make this dumbass move right?
I’ll go ahead and answer, but no…sources are not credible. Teams looking to make it back to the Super Bowl, with very little CB depth, do not trade #1 CBs.
 
Green Bay's offense tends to spread the wealth around versus featuring any specific skill player. Doubs is only 26, so just starting to hit his prime. Perhaps I am being a bit too aspirational with a high WR2 designation.

Only more reason why we need AJ Brown.
I think if there was more to Doubs we would have seen it by now. They lost Tucker Kraft last season and Christian Watson numerous times. I think he's a good WR like K Boutte.
 
I’ll go ahead and answer, but no…sources are not credible. Teams looking to make it back to the Super Bowl, with very little CB depth, do not trade #1 CBs.
I would lose my **** of they did a straight trade.

Maybe Gonzo for Brown AND a 1. Even that I don’t know that I would do
 
You don't get to decide what the value is. Whatever metric you're using is useless because you're not the one making the trade.

You couldn't possibly know how they value it.

Seeing you guys argue over and over over value like either one of you could ever be right us hilarious. The value is solely in what the two trading teams feel about them.

It's not USD.
 
That does happen in other rounds but I am not aware of specific examples in which a team traded a future #1 for a current #2 straight up. However, playing along, if a 2027 #2 is equal to a 2028 #1 then trade the 2027 #2. Trading a future, unconditional #1 for an aging player is simply unacceptable and horrible management. Hopefully the Krafts will say no to this. Who gives a crap if Vrabel wants his guy back. He's in no position to demand that overpay at this time.

I want it to be a 2027 2nd.
 
That does happen in other rounds but I am not aware of specific examples in which a team traded a future #1 for a current #2 straight up. However, playing along, if a 2027 #2 is equal to a 2028 #1 then trade the 2027 #2. Trading a future, unconditional #1 for an aging player is simply unacceptable and horrible management. Hopefully the Krafts will say no to this. Who gives a crap if Vrabel wants his guy back. He's in no position to demand that overpay at this time.

I don't know where the sudden disdain for Vrabel's roster decisions comes from, as he and the rest of the Patriots braintrust turned them from the worst team in football to the Super Bowl in one season, so he's earned our and their trust. Believe it or not Patriot fans don't know more or better than these guys do, regardless of the posturing here and on other sites. Vrabel makes the football decisions, and trust me when I say that no one should want Bob or Jonathan Kraft making them, let alone Captain Stone, Patsfans2, and the rest of the merry band of idiots. . I don't want them to give up too much for Brown, but if they do I'll grin and bear it, as they have more than earned the right to make those calls. That doesn't mean people can't disagree with it or criticize it, but if they let one decision override the dozens and dozens of good ones they have made then they are being foolish imo.
 
Ok I guess we need to explain stuff over and over. A 2027 3rd after the 2026 draft is worth a 2028 second or a 2029 first. Time value of the draft picks. Actually having a player this year is worth a round value of not having a player until the next year. ETC ETC. So getting a 2030 first round pick is worth much less than getting a 2027 first round pick. Is this really that hard to understand?

So the Patriots giving Philly a 2028 1st rounder is the same as giving a 2027 second rounder. SOOOOOO it seems you are ok with them giving a 2027 second rounder but not ok with them giving a 2028 first rounder soooo this is a stupid take.
It's not that people don't understand the value system of draft picks, it's simply that some of us will always value future 1st rounders over current 2nd rounders.

We traded a 2026 4th rounder to move up 3 spots to grab Caleb Lomu. If we had instead traded a 2029 1st round pick to move up 3 spots, can you honestly say that there's zero difference long term?

Drake Maye will still be only 25 years old when the 2028 draft happens. As long as he is here, we will expect to have at least a chance each season to go all the way. Even if Brown comes in and helps us win a Super Bowl, there's no way this team will be so stacked that not having a 2028 1st rounder won't matter at all. We're still here complaining about the WR we took with the last pick in the 1st round 7 years ago.
 
It's not that people don't understand the value system of draft picks, it's simply that some of us will always value future 1st rounders over current 2nd rounders.

We traded a 2026 4th rounder to move up 3 spots to grab Caleb Lomu. If we had instead traded a 2029 1st round pick to move up 3 spots, can you honestly say that there's zero difference long term?

Drake Maye will still be only 25 years old when the 2028 draft happens. As long as he is here, we will expect to have at least a chance each season to go all the way. Even if Brown comes in and helps us win a Super Bowl, there's no way this team will be so stacked that not having a 2028 1st rounder won't matter at all. We're still here complaining about the WR we took with the last pick in the 1st round 7 years ago.
I don’t think there’s too much point going back and forth about it until we actually know what the comp is. I don’t want to just send a 2028 first either, but it might not be that; it might be a 2028 first in exchange for Brown and a 2027 fourth or something like that. The pick may also be conditional, such as it’s a 1st if Brown plays in at least 14 games or has 1000 yards receiving or something along those lines; otherwise it downgrades to a 2nd. Could be several variables.

The key thing for me is that it does tell me that Vrabel and company truly believe that the team is close to being a real, complete title contender, and with another couple years of development and growth and a true #1 WR and quality OL for Maye, they will be going on playoff runs annually and aren’t as worried about possibly shipping a pick in the late 20s/early 30s.
 
I think for Howie, it's the appearance of a #1 that is important not necessarily the value of a #1. So, I wouldn't be surprised if when the final announcement comes to pass as May turns to June, we see something like this be announced. The Pats get AJB for a 2028 first round pick and with a 2029 3rd round pick coming to the Pats. The key being having Howie hearing the words "first round pick" even though n actual value a 2028 pick has the traditional value of a 3rd round pick since the Pats will have ZERO consequences for the acquisition for 2 full seasons.

Howie can say he got (a first round pick for Brown and the Pats actually pay a reasonable price plus a shot at an additional decent player in the 2028 draft
 
I think for Howie, it's the appearance of a #1 that is important not necessarily the value of a #1. So, I wouldn't be surprised if when the final announcement comes to pass as May turns to June, we see something like this be announced. The Pats get AJB for a 2028 first round pick and with a 2029 3rd round pick coming to the Pats. The key being having Howie hearing the words "first round pick" even though n actual value a 2028 pick has the traditional value of a 3rd round pick since the Pats will have ZERO consequences for the acquisition for 2 full seasons.

Howie can say he got (a first round pick for Brown and the Pats actually pay a reasonable price plus a shot at an additional decent player in the 2028 draft
Agreed. It’s all about optics & ego with a GM like Howie. Although, to be fair…he's earned it.
 
Agreed. It’s all about optics & ego with a GM like Howie. Although, to be fair…he's earned it.

He's a good GM. He's got 2 Lombardi's in 16 years, he's not as great as people make him out to be. But in general I like his approach to drafts.
 
I don't know where the sudden disdain for Vrabel's roster decisions comes from, as he and the rest of the Patriots braintrust turned them from the worst team in football to the Super Bowl in one season, so he's earned our and their trust. Believe it or not Patriot fans don't know more or better than these guys do, regardless of the posturing here and on other sites. Vrabel makes the football decisions, and trust me when I say that no one should want Bob or Jonathan Kraft making them, let alone Captain Stone, Patsfans2, and the rest of the merry band of idiots. . I don't want them to give up too much for Brown, but if they do I'll grin and bear it, as they have more than earned the right to make those calls. That doesn't mean people can't disagree with it or criticize it, but if they let one decision override the dozens and dozens of good ones they have made then they are being foolish imo.

I have no issue with Vrabel's roster decisions. But will if/when we trade a #1, any year, for Brown.
 
It's not that people don't understand the value system of draft picks, it's simply that some of us will always value future 1st rounders over current 2nd rounders.

We traded a 2026 4th rounder to move up 3 spots to grab Caleb Lomu. If we had instead traded a 2029 1st round pick to move up 3 spots, can you honestly say that there's zero difference long term?

Drake Maye will still be only 25 years old when the 2028 draft happens. As long as he is here, we will expect to have at least a chance each season to go all the way. Even if Brown comes in and helps us win a Super Bowl, there's no way this team will be so stacked that not having a 2028 1st rounder won't matter at all. We're still here complaining about the WR we took with the last pick in the 1st round 7 years ago.
So a 2050 round is worth more than a 2027 2nd round got it. Bunch of idiots
 
So a 2050 round is worth more than a 2027 2nd round got it. Bunch of idiots

I would say the only idiots are the ones who don't know you can't trade a pick farther than 3 years into the future.

A 2050 first round pick might have very little value compared to a 2027 second rounder in 2027, but what's a 2027 second picks value in 2050? I bet it's nothing compared to a 2050 first round pick.

Everyone understands the logic you're using. They just understand nuance.
 
He's a good GM. He's got 2 Lombardi's in 16 years, he's not as great as people make him out to be. But in general I like his approach to drafts.
He's been the GM for sixteen years, but only had control of personnel since 2016... or 10 years.

Andy Reid was in charge of everything, then Chip Kelly before it fell apart and Jeff Lurie gave Roseman control of the roster.

101-66-1 record, Win Percentage: .604, only two losing seasons, 8 playoff appearances, 2 wins in 3 Super Bowl appearances.

Keep in mind he did this with no franchise HOF head coach, or frankly a franchise QB.

The Eagles success has been largely due to an excess of talented players.

Roseman is pretty impressive.

I have no doubt he learned everything working as Andy Reid's right hand.
 
If the Patriots get rooked for a 1 for AJ Brown, it will set the team back a lot.

This is a team with huge needs still.
But in the discussed scenario it’s a 2028 first, so how many of those huge needs will still exist after the 2027 free agency and draft have occurred, plus two years of development for the 2026 draftees and one year of development for the 2027 draftees?

Let’s say Lomu becomes a good starting right tackle and takes over for Moses, Raridon takes over for Henry, Jacas becomes a solid starting OLB, Gonzo and Maye get extended. What holes are still left? Onwenu is likely gone by then, but they will probably have drafted and developed a new guard by that point. Linebacker has needs, but they could use a high pick in 2027 on that. They still might need some depth, but they have two 5ths and four 6ths in 2027’s deep draft, so they will likely find some good role players next year along with hopefully a few good hits from 2026’s class.

I don’t want to just send away a 1st either but I don’t think losing one that’s two years from now is going to be a HUGE setback considering all that will occur between then and now.
 
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