Patriots Rumor A.J. Brown trade rumors heat up - Should Patriots get him?

DoubleDeluxe said:

Josh has very good playoff stats.
15 games played
38 total Tds
7 total turnovers
4700 total yds.
His detractors will point to the W-L record and that’s fair, but he’s definitely been more of the solution than the problem.
To each their own.

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yep .. that KC game where the D gave up the field goal in 13 seconds .... 13 seconds. They should have fired that dufus McDermott before they got to the locker room.

Edit: I noted, with irony, that I misspelled the name of the "dufus" the first time ... let that be a lesson to me.

rochrist said:

Not keen on giving up a first rounder because a WR can block.

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Maybe Ross should have mentioned making contested catches and beating #1 CB's. Would he be worth it then roc??

jdlboot14 said:

Is a bit odd that Boutte didn't join Maye and the boys in their throwing session. Could just be that the others were noted as already being down there, but the fact that Pop was involved (and he's most likely not to return) shows that Boutte might be assuming he could be part of the trade for AJ if that happens. And - that's exactly what I've suggested. AJ and Boutte are synonymous in style and role. Not that Boutte is as good, but he's the same type, and it'd be redundant.

AJ, Doubs, Williams, Pop/Chism, Hollins (+ Draftee) could be really good. I think they'd pick one of either Pop or Chism - whomever can really grasp the slot role of the JMD offense - which so far has not been Pop.

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I think if Boutte is involved; it would be Him and a Second Rounder for A.J. I say fair deal: we can replace Boutte in this Draft and we have Kyle Williams already in the fold.

PatsFan2 said:

Maybe Ross should have mentioned making contested catches and beating #1 CB's. Would he be worth it then roc??

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He can mention it, that doesn't mean Brown can still do it consistently.

rochrist said:

He can mention it, that doesn't mean Brown can still do it consistently.

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You know A.J. is going to be 29 and not 39 right?? Also Davante Adams had over 1500yds at age 29 not exactly dinosaur years for a WR.

PatsFan2 said:

You know A.J. is going to be 29 and not 39 right?? Also Davante Adams had over 1500yds at age 29 not exactly dinosaur years for a WR.

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Look, you can stan for him all you want. I'm just expressing my opinion, based on watching video of him from the past season. He looks like he's wearing cement overshoes. He looks ponderous. He does not look even slightly explosive. If you want to invest a 1st round 27 pick in him in what is reported to be a very strong draft, that's up to you. I don't. That's all.

rochrist said:

Look, you can stan for him all you want. I'm just expressing my opinion, based on watching video of him from the past season. He looks like he's wearing cement overshoes. He looks ponderous. He does not look even slightly explosive. If you want to invest a 1st round 27 pick in him in what is reported to be a very strong draft, that's up to you. I don't. That's all.

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It's not up to me it will be up to Mike Vrabel. Just don't jump off the ledge when he does it.

rochrist said:

Look, you can stan for him all you want. I'm just expressing my opinion, based on watching video of him from the past season. He looks like he's wearing cement overshoes. He looks ponderous. He does not look even slightly explosive. If you want to invest a 1st round 27 pick in him in what is reported to be a very strong draft, that's up to you. I don't. That's all.

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In fairness, you could make the same assessment of Randy Moss in 2006 before he was traded to the Patriots. AJ Brown was far better last year than Moss was in 2006. And it wasn't even close.

Gotta say that Eagles fans are going to be extremely upset for what the Eagles get for AJ Brown when he is traded whether it is to the Patriots or somewhere else.

I saw a video today by a Eagles social media influencer who listed these potential trades as the bare minimum that the Eagles will get in a trade:

Christian Gonzalez for AJ Brown
Maxx Crosby for AJ Brown
Jordan Addison and a second round pick for AJ Brown

It is insane what they think they are going to get.

Crazy Patriot Guy said:

So should we trade every 2026 draft pick for veterans that are more likely to contribute this year?

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Not that it would happen, but of course you would because the probability of contributions from veterans over rookies is a no brainer.

Crazy Patriot Guy said:

The best run teams are built for this year AND the following years, that's my whole point.

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Do you want to win a Super Bowl or just want to be competitive? You can't fall into that trap that the majority of NFL teams do. When I hear a team like the Cardinals or any team for that matter saying they are playing for the future, it just makes me laugh. What have they ever done? The 49ers are the most recent team that have messed up badly twice in the last 15 years. All they had to do was sign Tom Brady in 2020 and they win 2 Super Bowls in 3 years at minimum. But Shanahan's ego didn't want Tom removing him from the spotlight and try to win with the younger Jimmy G. Prior to that, Green Bay messed not making big moves for Rodgers when they had glaring needs for years on defense, running game and WR/TE. They were continually overmatched come playoff time. I don't know what the hell Buffalo is doing arming Allen with knives in a gun fight. Patriots can't fall into the trap. They need now players with their window has reopened. Nothing is guaranteed.

The Gr8est said:

The Pats did indeed make the SB, but with a whole lot of luck along the way.

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Like the amount of luck they had in 2001? They survived Oakland based on a judgement that could've gone the other way just like they didn't overturn the Testeverde call earlier in the season. Teams get lucky every year. The Seahawks would've gotten a beatdown in week 17 if the 49ers were ever healthy.

Teams get luck every year.

Bill should've drafted AJB in 2019... I still want him here, but not at the cost of a 2027 1st-rounder.

TheRainMaker said:

Not that it would happen, but of course you would because the probability of contributions from veterans over rookies is a no brainer.

Do you want to win a Super Bowl or just want to be competitive? You can't fall into that trap that the majority of NFL teams do. When I hear a team like the Cardinals or any team for that matter saying they are playing for the future, it just makes me laugh. What have they ever done? The 49ers are the most recent team that have messed up badly twice in the last 15 years. All they had to do was sign Tom Brady in 2020 and they win 2 Super Bowls in 3 years at minimum. But Shanahan's ego didn't want Tom removing him from the spotlight and try to win with the younger Jimmy G. Prior to that, Green Bay messed not making big moves for Rodgers when they had glaring needs for years on defense, running game and WR/TE. They were continually overmatched come playoff time. I don't know what the hell Buffalo is doing arming Allen with knives in a gun fight. Patriots can't fall into the trap. They need now players with their window has reopened. Nothing is guaranteed.

Like the amount of luck they had in 2001? They survived Oakland based on a judgement that could've gone the other way just like they didn't overturn the Testeverde call earlier in the season. Teams get lucky every year. The Seahawks would've gotten a beatdown in week 17 if the 49ers were ever healthy.

Teams get luck every year.

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Disagree with this logic completely. The Patriots won 6 Lombardi's by being in the hunt every season. The only team that I can think of that won a Lombardi by loading up for a year is the Rams. Every other team that has tried it has failed.

captain stone said:

Bill should've drafted AJB in 2019... I still want him here, but not at the cost of a 2027 1st-rounder.

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No shot it's for a 1st, not gonna happen. A 2nd round pick max.

TheRainMaker said:

Do you want to win a Super Bowl or just want to be competitive? You can't fall into that trap that the majority of NFL teams do. When I hear a team like the Cardinals or any team for that matter saying they are playing for the future, it just makes me laugh. What have they ever done? The 49ers are the most recent team that have messed up badly twice in the last 15 years. All they had to do was sign Tom Brady in 2020 and they win 2 Super Bowls in 3 years at minimum. But Shanahan's ego didn't want Tom removing him from the spotlight and try to win with the younger Jimmy G. Prior to that, Green Bay messed not making big moves for Rodgers when they had glaring needs for years on defense, running game and WR/TE. They were continually overmatched come playoff time. I don't know what the hell Buffalo is doing arming Allen with knives in a gun fight. Patriots can't fall into the trap. They need now players with their window has reopened. Nothing is guaranteed.

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I want the opportunity to win multiple Super Bowls. The absolute proof that winning one more won't be enough: we've won 6 titles in the last 25 seasons, and you still want another.

Drake Maye is going into his 3rd season. I don't understand any argument of going all in and sacrificing future seasons of his career for a slightly better chance at one championship.

Huckleberry1 said:

Disagree with this logic completely. The Patriots won 6 Lombardi's by being in the hunt every season. The only team that I can think of that won a Lombardi by loading up for a year is the Rams. Every other team that has tried it has failed.

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They won 6 Super Bowl's because their QB was Tom Brady who played at a unattainable level for almost 20 years. They had a HC who was considered arguably the best defensive mind/strategist the NFL has ever seen in BB. When the Pats needed to make moves, Bill made them via draft, trade and FA's (most of the time). They are an apples to oranges comparison with the rest of the league. They are a complete aberration of the salary cap era and should not be followed as an example.

However, the point is that many teams play for a future that don't even know what it entails. In fact, history has already given them their answer. In your example, the Rams haven't won a Super Bowl since 1999. You don't think what they did in 2021 was worth it? They've drafted well since, yet haven't won anything in 5 years now. Their window with Stafford is closing.

The 2000's Rams couldn't draft for **** and neglected the OL. Nobody thought they'd be one and done after 1999 with that core group of players.

The most valuable franchise in the NFL can't even get to an NFCCG since 1995. What future are they playing for exactly?

The 49ers haven't won since 1994 and had two windows that were squandered by arrogance. Their roster is bare now.

John Elway with Terrell Davis was never going to win a Super Bowl had the Broncos not landed Neil Smith, lucking out on Rod Smith emerging at WR and..... cheating the salary cap.

Packers were never going to win in the 1990's had they Cowboys not imploded and they landed Reggie White in FA. Ron Wolf struggled badly after they won in 1996. Aaron Rodgers would've won at least two more rings had the Packers taken things more seriously.

The Colts had a damn good QB in Andrew Luck, but the Colts neglected the OL and defense so badly it forced Luck to retire early.

The Chiefs are at the same crossroads the Pats were at in 2008 with their roster taking a nosedive and QB coming off a serious injury. It is not a guarantee Mahomes has the same drive Tom Brady had and takes his conditioning to another level. It is also not a guarantee KC lands a once in generation TE in Gronk to get them over the hump.

There are many examples of squandered opportunities by NFL teams playing for the future.

Crazy Patriot Guy said:

Drake Maye is going into his 3rd season. I don't understand any argument of going all in and sacrificing future seasons of his career for a slightly better chance at one championship.

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See the Andrew Luck case above. OL is the #1 priority at minimum. Again, you're assuming the Patriots are going to win multiple championships when the only teams with multiple titles in the last 30 years are Pats (6), Rams (2), Packers (2), Chiefs (3), Ravens (2), Eagles (2), Broncos (3), Giants (2), Steelers (2), Seahawks (2), Bucs (2).

Only the Pats, Chiefs, Giants and Steelers won multiple titles with many of the same players. The correlation is that majority of the teams with multiple titles won in different eras with different coaches and players. Nothing in the NFL is guaranteed and you need to take advantage of it while you can. If you don't address weaknesses early on, more weaknesses will emerge making it too difficult to overcome. See the Bills who know have needs almost everywhere.

TheRainMaker said:

They won 6 Super Bowl's because their QB was Tom Brady who played at a unattainable level for almost 20 years. They had a HC who was considered arguably the best defensive mind/strategist the NFL has ever seen in BB. When the Pats needed to make moves, Bill made them via draft, trade and FA's (most of the time). They are an apples to oranges comparison with the rest of the league. They are a complete aberration of the salary cap era and should not be followed as an example.

However, the point is that many teams play for a future that don't even know what it entails. In fact, history has already given them their answer. In your example, the Rams haven't won a Super Bowl since 1999. You don't think what they did in 2021 was worth it? They've drafted well since, yet haven't won anything in 5 years now. Their window with Stafford is closing.

The 2000's Rams couldn't draft for ****

The most valuable franchise in the NFL can't even get to an NFCCG since 1995. What future are they playing for exactly?

The 49ers haven't won since 1994 and had two windows that were squandered by arrogance. Their roster is bare now.

John Elway with Terrell Davis was never going to win a Super Bowl had the Broncos not landed Neil Smith, lucking out on Rod Smith emerging at WR and..... cheating the salary cap.

Aaron Rodgers would've won at least two more rings had the Packers taken things more seriously.

The Colts had a damn good QB in Andrew Luck, but the Colts neglected the OL and defense so badly it forced Luck to retire early.

The Chiefs are at the same crossroads the Pats were at in 2008 with their roster taking a nosedive and QB coming off a serious injury. It is not a guarantee Mahomes has the same drive Tom Brady had and takes his conditioning to another level. It is also not a guarantee KC lands a once in generation TE in Gronk to get them over the hump.

There are many examples of squandered opportunities by NFL teams playing for the future.

See the Andrew Luck case above. OL is the #1 priority at minimum. Again, you're assuming the Patriots are going to win multiple championships when the only teams with multiple titles in the last 30 years are Pats (6), Rams (2), Packers (2), Chiefs (3), Ravens (2), Eagles (2), Broncos (3), Giants (2), Steelers (2), Seahawks (2), Bucs (2).

Only the Pats, Chiefs, Giants and Steelers won multiple titles with many of the same players. The correlation is that majority of the teams with multiple titles won in different eras with different coaches and players. Nothing in the NFL is guaranteed and you need to take advantage of it while you can. If you don't address weaknesses early on, more weaknesses will emerge making it too difficult to overcome. See the Bills who know have needs almost everywhere.

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I never "assumed" the Patriots are going to win multiple championships. I said I hope they have the chance to win multiple.

No one will ever be able to convince me that they could watch Drake Maye win a title in year 3 and then hover around .500 for the rest of his career and then say they were satisfied with that.

Well in light of some of the comments from Eliot Wolf today, maybe they do trade their 1st round pick?

Maybe something like pick 31 in exchange for Brown and a 3rd coming back. Perhaps they’d prefer to make a lot of picks in the middle rounds to have more shots to get specific guys they want (using their many 6ths as trade-up currency) and this move would get them the WR they want while still getting a day 2 pick back which is likely a contributor.

Crazy Patriot Guy said:

I never "assumed" the Patriots are going to win multiple championships. I said I hope they have the chance to win multiple.

No one will ever be able to convince me that they could watch Drake Maye win a title in year 3 and then hover around .500 for the rest of his career and then say they were satisfied with that.

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Well, only 5 QB's have won more than one title in the last 30 years: Brady, Big Ben, Peyton and Eli Manning and Mahomes. That's extremely small company. We'd be lucky if Maye even wins one. You take it when you can and worry about the future later. I'm not saying to sign overpriced FA's and trade a bunch of picks for an overpaid player. However, there will be a point in time like now where they have to invest in critical positions like the OL. They will be going down a very bad path if they don't.

And to clarify, I don't care for AJ Brown. That ship sailed many years ago.