I'm Confused About Posting In Some Threads While Avoiding Any Political content.

n1997y said:

Not coincidentally, Newt Gingrich first emerged in the ‘80s, following his election to the House in 1978. I blame him for a lot of the political polarization. I’m not alone. Here are some quotes from his Wikipedia entry:


So, I blame the salamander…

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Stop being a partisan stooge. The left used every single hateful word you can imagine to describe Reagan, and that was years before Gingrich rose to national prominence.

I know Team Blue thinks their **** don’t stink but they are just as bad as anyone else when it comes to the country’s partisanship.

moosekill said:

Things became bad in the US when the Southern Democrats, died off and most of the southern states became republican. Before that there were in essence three political parties, Republicans, Democrats, and Southern Democrats. Both the Republicans and the Democrats had to play somewhat to the center to convince the Southern Democrats to vote to their side. After they died off, the first president who really figured it out was Obama, who realized it was an all or nothing game, why coddle to the other side when all it did was piss off your extreme constituents. Either a 0 or 1 no longer a 2. Presidential elections are a bit different because you are trying to attract the independent voter, but other than that it doesn't matter. Trump got that and does it just the same. It is unfortunate and really kind of silly. I called Ken out on it about gas prices. One side was extremely happy when gas was $4 + a gallon when Biden was president, oh cool it will force us to buy electric cars, while the other side was pissed. Now 2 or 3 years later gas goes up to $3 a gallon and the people who were happy it was $4 are now pissed it is $3, and the people who were pissed it was $4 are happy it is up so we can destroy Iran. Ken never complained that gas was $4 a gallon on here, but now at $3 a gallon how are people going to survive. I have spoken my piece, the reason it shouldn't be on here is now it is black or white, all people do is argue their side. Trump could cure cancer, or make Cuba a democracy and he would still be pissed that he put all those cancer Dr's out of business. So why bring it here. Leave it somewhere else.

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The Iceman Cometh as a Strawman...

Zuma said:

It's called being greedy and inclusive. The last thing the NFL wants to do is bring politics in to the NFL.They want as many fans paying $ as possible.

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Those that think capitalism should decide all things seem to forget that most LGBT+ people have jobs and are corporate customers as well.

To sum up; Yay my Team! For all others...

maust said:

To sum up; Yay my Team! For all others...

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I passed out, thanks.

Clonamery said:

I passed out, thanks.

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Zuma said:

It's called being greedy and inclusive. The last thing the NFL wants to do is bring politics in to the NFL.They want as many fans paying $ as possible.

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If you want to be inclusive, then be inclusive to the Christians as well

Boogs said:

If you want to be inclusive, then be inclusive to the Christians as well

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Aren't most people in the NFL Christian? In the USA? Heck we have three Christian's on the current roster.

Boogs said:

If you want to be inclusive, then be inclusive to the Christians as well

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"Love each other as I have loved you" works for me.

Turns out that Jesus of Nazareth was pretty damn woke...

XLIX said:

Stop being a partisan stooge. The left used every single hateful word you can imagine to describe Reagan, and that was years before Gingrich rose to national prominence.

I know Team Blue thinks their **** don’t stink but they are just as bad as anyone else when it comes to the country’s partisanship.

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Do you really remember Reagan? Reagan and O'Neil used to have a beer together. Senators worked together on lots and lots. The situation was nothing like today. Sure, the right attacked Carter when he was president, and the left attacked Reagan. But Congress often worked together and compromised among themselves and with the president. Sure, Gingrich was an attack dog, but in the end, he compromised with Clinton, and lots of good came out of the fight, including surpluses and a much larger reduction in federal jobs than under Trump. There was fighting, but lots got done under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and in the first term of Bush Jr.

EddardSnow67 said:

The fundamental issue is that some people have "political" views that promote taking rights away from others based on their race, sexual orientation, etc and some even hold "political" views that dehumanize certain groups of people. Then there are those who push their religious beliefs as if they are political beliefs, which they aren't. Religious belief is completely irrelevant to government action.

Because of this - the fact that many people are racist, homophobic, xenophobic assholes - means that they will eventually post their idiocy and hatred and will then be - extremely rightfully - personally attacked.

So yeah, that's why we can't have a political forum and that's why American society is headed for dystopia: Some people - even people you interact with every day - are scumbags and don't deserve to have their stupid ass opinions considered. They only deserve ostracization. But you can't run a forum if stupid people are allowed to voice their crappy views with impunity, which is essentially what any political forum would have to be.

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Best post in this whole thread.

Zuma said:

Aren't most people in the NFL Christian? In the USA? Heck we have three Christian's on the current roster.

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hmm
Many, many, many people have their own understanding of who is a Christian. They often do not accept many of those who profess and practice the faith as being Christian. They don't even accept priests and pastors of some denominations. So, no, I suspect that there is NOT a majority of NFL players who would be accepted as Christians by a large number of other Christians, including many who post here.

Perhaps many would be surprised that so many church members of many denominations are not accepted as Christians by other Christians. As an aside, I believe that this is primarily an American phenomenon.

Leftists are fond of saying that "everything is political," reflecting the Marxist underpinnings of most leftist thought, specifically here the Marxist notion of "Superstructure." At the other end of the spectrum, I suppose, some Christians, particularly of the evangelistic sort, feel an outright obligation to testify to their faith in their public lives, so to speak. I respect their earnestness, frankly, which seems more genuine to me than the unreflectively regurgitated idees recues of the woke set (Oops: have I strayed?). I am myself not at either of these extremes, though perhaps I am at a third extreme - if that does not do too much violence to the usual geometry of such comparisons. I am a pretty thoroughgoing, not to say rabid, libertarian: Murray Rothbard, Friedman (two of 'em), Bastiat, Thomas Sowell (maybe more a Chicago School economist), Von Mises, Thomas Jefferson, Emerson, one might say. and so on. Maybe I am a classic liberal, even an Anarcho-capitalist (I have a T-shirt whcih announces I am). Like most people who actually think about their political views, I like to snatch a little here and there from each of the various labels, so as to avoid becoming an ambulatory cliche.

I don't think that "everything is political." I am actually quite glad that that is the case in fact. But, in a setting like this, I suppose I reserve the right when someone else opens a political perspective on a matter under discussion, to respond in kind. I am worriedly aware that this is perilously close to the old Schoolground Defense - "He started it." - but, speaking as a devotee of freedom in all things, speech certainly included, I really don't give a **** if that bothers anybody.

As for the Mods, I fully support their shutting down a thread when we get carried away. That's their job, and I support their exercising their prerogatives to do it. I also support the right of others to complain about it, of course, as tough as that can make it on those who take the job. I suspect, however, that most are glad they are there, doing their work. It reminds me of my years as a high school teacher. When a couple boys (typically) would start a fistfight, as the teacher on the scene, as I sometimes was, tasked with breaking it up, I knew that if I got between them and pushed them apart, even ever so gently, they would immediately part from one another. The aggressive gesticulations and aggro naughty talk might go on for a few moments, but hardly ever did they really want to fight. This was true of most students, and I suspect it is true of most posters here as well.,

Ok, I feel like it’s time to move on. Again, I appreciate the feedback and I hope everyone understands my reasoning - which is to not create animosity between people for things having nothing to do with football. As I’ve said - and as many long-term people here know - I tried making it work in multiple ways and it just isn’t possible, and it’s not worth it.

So, while I get the frustration, that’s where we’re at. People can always come up with reasons to dislike each other on here based on differences of opinion, etc. or whatever - politics doesn’t need to be one of them.