2026 Draft: RT

mayoclinic said:

I don't personally see much of Vollmer in Burke. Vollmer much more athletic by every metric - you can't just disregard his 36.5" VJ, tied with Trisran Wirfs - and had much lighter feet.

Burke is an intriguing prospect, but I think you're reaching.

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manxman2601 said:

I didn't disregard his vert, I mentioned it twice, but how often do OL jump in the air? The broad, I think is a better predictor for OL because it measures lateral explosiveness. I also talked about Vollmer's better lateral agility. I was quite clear I wasn't labouring the comp, just that there were similiarities. I also wonder, when I see people say Burke is "lumbering", what film they're watching. He's no Lane Johnson but he's fairly quick footed for someone of his size. Compare him to Markell Bell or Hollin Pierce and the difference is night and day.

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mayoclinic said:

Nope. Good guess. God, I loved Clady as a prospect.

Prospect X was a halfway decent tackle, back in the day.

Those are the 1996 numbers for Jonathan Ogden.

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manxman2601 said:

The one big difference was that between Ersery, the last of that 1st/2nd round tier of OTs, and Travis, 4 OTs went (Trapilo, Belton, Emery Jones, Charles Grant). That 2nd tier doesn't really exist in this draft.

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One-If-By-Sea said:

I think that is one of Mayo's arguments for RT over EDGE at 31. There is no RT 2nd tier this year, while there is a 2nd tier of EDGE prospects.

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manxman2601 said:

I'm not going involved in that debate anymore except to say that EDGE is clearly our biggest need, but if you can guarantee me someone like Jacas, Lawrence or Parker following a trade up in the 2nd, I'm fine going RT in the first. If not, I'm fine drafting a developmental RT this year and if needs be, addressing that position next year. I want someone who can make significant contributions this year, not someone who's going to ride the bench all year.

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DaBruinz said:

Just remember that the Pats needed their back-up LT for 4 games last year.
Morgan Moses turned 35 at the beginning of March and he missed snaps during the season..

The Pats have lost starting tackles to season injury numerous times over the last 25 years. Including the Likes of Matt Light, Nate Solder, Sebastian Vollmer, Tom Ashworth, Marcus Cannon and Nick Kaczur. If the Pats were to draft a 1st Rnd OT, that player won't be riding the bench all year. they'll see snaps. Probably special teams then goal-line and short-yardage as well as end of games. You want them to get some experience, but not be under full pressure to perform.

I do understand what you're saying about Edge.. Like I said the other day. If Iheanachor and the Edge they want are both there at 31, Vrabel will have a tough decision to make.

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manxman2601 said:

OK fine.

Christian Gonzales missed the first 3 games of the year. Should we draft Avieon Terrell just in case?

Milton Williams missed 6 games - Peter Woods anyone?

Robert Spillane missed 4 - CJ Allen? Who wears the green dot?

And as for Harold Landry and his rehabbing knee. Do we really want to be starting Jones and Ponder for long periods of the season?

If you're drafting someone in the first round because they might be needed owing to injury, that opens up a whole new can of worms.

I've made it clear I'm OK drafting a RT in the first if we can still get one of the tier 2 pass rushers which will likely need a trade up. however I will be slightly disappointed because it will mean missing out on having our pick of the tier 2 EDGE guys. I also recognise I'm probably losing this argument. i'm more and more sure we'll draft a RT. Personally I think that's just treading water.

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DaBruinz said:

Manx -

The Pats have 3 capable CBs behind Gonzo in Marcus Jones, Carlton Davis and Charles Woods.

The Pats have Barmore, Durden, Farmer, Pharms and Taylor behind Williams. at DT.

The Pats are lacking at LB as I don't have faith in Elliss, Britt, or Muma. Reese and Gainer are question marks. . It's why I've pushed for Rodriguez. Personally, i don't care for Allen. As for the Green Dot, I'm hoping that Spillane stays health and the Rookie learns from him..

As for Edge, yes, depth is an issue. Only the team knows what it has in Landry right now. But the O-line is what is keeping Maye off the Injured list. Without Maye, this team would be lucky to win 2 games, let alone 4.

What is the depth currently at OT? After Campbell and Moses, you have Hudson, Bryant, Gutierrez, and Metz. Gutierrez turns 28 in July and Metz is 29. They aren't prospects and aren't going to be getting better than they are. They're bottom of the roster "OH ****" players. They're not even as good as Brandon Gorin. Bryant showed some promise, but he spent most of last year on the bench. While he was a swing tackle in College, we don't don't what he brings at the Pro-level. Which brings us to Hudson. He's another question mark. A guy who, when he was given the chance, choked and had one of the worst games in the history of the NFL.

You don't see the irony of stating that "if your drafting someone in the 1st round because they might be needed owing to injury" in regards to the OT situations and it's lack of depth. You're using that same injury potential and lack of depth to push for an Edge in the 1st round over OT.

At the end of the season, I had RT or LB as my 1st round pick. However, that view has changed to include edge now that they let Chaisson walk and have only signed Jones. I've now moved Edge up ahead of LB and have it even with OT. Because of the issues at both positions..

Please understand that I just trying to point out an issue you seemed to be, at the very least, downplaying.

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manxman2601 said:

OK, but I'm not discussing this any further as I, and only I interestingly, am getting spammed with the 'already been discussed' tag.

I've made my argument and I'll leave it there.

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DaBruinz said:

Mayo is just being salty..

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manxman2601 said:

I'm not going involved in that debate anymore except to say that EDGE is clearly our biggest need, but if you can guarantee me someone like Jacas, Lawrence or Parker following a trade up in the 2nd, I'm fine going RT in the first. If not, I'm fine drafting a developmental RT this year and if needs be, addressing that position next year. I want someone who can make significant contributions this year, not someone who's going to ride the bench all year.

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manxman2601 said:

I'm not going involved in that debate anymore except to say that EDGE is clearly our biggest need, but if you can guarantee me someone like Jacas, Lawrence or Parker following a trade up in the 2nd, I'm fine going RT in the first. If not, I'm fine drafting a developmental RT this year and if needs be, addressing that position next year. I want someone who can make significant contributions this year, not someone who's going to ride the bench all year.

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