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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Morgan moses on the right side bothers me... history dictates he will miss games... would like to address the RT position sooner rather than later ... FA crop looks thin though...That might actually be a tolerable roster on opening day.
HEY!!!Wilson doesn't even belong on the field.
Move Wilson to center. If he struggles, put in Brown. They need a real left guard.
I know some people think you get a great center if you can in free agency, but I think Vrabel is telegraphing that he’s sticking by his rookies when he says, “They must get stronger.”
Use the draft, they’ve got one solid prospect in Marcus Bryant already, bring in some more bodies and let camp competition sort it out.Morgan moses on the right side bothers me... history dictates he will miss games... would like to address the RT position sooner rather than later ... FA crop looks thin though...
Rookies must get stronger, Vrabel is not wrong.Move Wilson to center. If he struggles, put in Brown. They need a real left guard.
I know some people think you get a great center if you can in free agency, but I think Vrabel is telegraphing that he’s sticking by his rookies when he says, “They must get stronger.”
Lol, calm it, wee man.So do you just ignore everything Vrabel says so you can get your own way, which will not happen anyway? I don't really care if you like or hate Campbell. He is the starting LT. Do you get it yet?
He’s been a starting center for 7 straight years now, including with us last year. You might want him to be a backup for an upgrade, but he’s a starting level player and it’s actually pretty fairly significant that we’d move him now. It does spur a lot of interesting conversation about how they’ll approach OL in a few days.Q: How do you know it's the deep off-season?
A: Trading a backup center for a fifth in next year's draft gets five pages on Pats Fans.
After the way things ended last year, OL is a clear area of need and fan interest. Getting rid of a reliable starter is not the standard practice for improving when there are other more pressing needs. In this case Bradbury was moved because he did not meet the better, younger, cheaper criteria. I wonder how the Bears sudden need influenced the Patriots by generating the opportunity to get a good return for a player who was not part of the long term plan. It could well be that the Pats would have held onto Bradbury for depth if the option was a later round pick. A fifth round pick was too much to ignore.He’s been a starting center for 7 straight years now, including with us last year. You might want him to be a backup for an upgrade, but he’s a starting level player and it’s actually pretty fairly significant that we’d move him now. It does spur a lot of interesting conversation about how they’ll approach OL in a few days.
Guessing/hoping/dreaming is really all we have at this juncture.Yeah… I definitely understand why the most obvious answer would be “Wilson is the new center” but he’s never played starting C before at an NFL level and he’s only in his 2nd year, just handing him the job with no serious competition feels irresponsible and out of character for this org. I feel like if the plan was to start Wilson at center, they would’ve kept Bradbury and had the guys compete for the job, and if Wilson won they’d release Bradbury at that time. Moving Bradbury now before Wilson has proven himself in that role seems off…
IMO they only move Bradbury NOW if they are planning to replace him with an established veteran starter NOW such as Linderbaum. Which means Wilson doesn’t go to center and either becomes a backup or stays at left guard. But that’s just my opinion… I could be wrong.
Well, he's a starter (rated #29 in the league but I'd say he's right in the middle) and never has cracked the top ten in his career, but he fits in their salary cap space after Dalman's retirementHe’s been a starting center for 7 straight years now, including with us last year. You might want him to be a backup for an upgrade, but he’s a starting level player and it’s actually pretty fairly significant that we’d move him now. It does spur a lot of interesting conversation about how they’ll approach OL in a few days.
That’s what people said last year and he played in every game for the 9th time in 11 years.Morgan moses on the right side bothers me... history dictates he will miss games... would like to address the RT position sooner rather than later ... FA crop looks thin though...
And it gives the Bears a starter in case they can't find a center in the draft or they draft a center and he's not ready to go this year. Basically they got Bradbury for the same reasons we did last year.Don’t overthink this, Bradbury had one year left on his deal and likely wants an extension. The Pats had their center of the future already and he is on a cost controlled rookie contract… cheap.
The trade compensation for Bradbury is commensurate with a trade and pay situation. If Bradbury had more years on his deal and didn’t need a new contract, the compensation would have been higher.
It was a good deal for both teams. They needed a starting center, the Pats wanted to get younger and cheaper.
Exactly! Agreed... Bradbury was a solid veteran and was always a stop gap.. Wilson is best suited there... opens up the LG spot for Benny brown.. only knock on Bradbury was Tonga is an exact reason why he was used in short yards because we couldn't seem to get them often just running behind Bradbury..If NE didn’t have Wilson in the waiting I’d be all in on Linderbaum. But smart play is moving Wilson to C and going out in free agency and landing a good vet LG to pair between Campbell and Wilson.
Andrews, Stork, Wendell, Koppen, Woody, Wohlabaugh. Some of them were good but I feel like you are hyperbolic in your memories of our Centers.Guessing/hoping/dreaming is really all we have at this juncture.
I've said it before in the LG and OL discussion that Pats history show the benefit of anchoring the line with a pro-bowl caliber Center, and that all the talk of moving Wilson to C didn't exactly give me any more confidence than keeping him at LG (where Ben Brown clearly showed he's better than Wilson)
I'll take Wilson and his contract as a quality backup but I'd be thrilled to see Linderbaum here as I feel like Brown or maybe even someone at #31 can do better than Wilson, who was himself what a 3rd round pick?
My gut just tells me that they want someone better than Wilson at C, and I think given the Bears' need at C, they know Linderbaum isn't interested in them
That, along with my gut is telling me they're going after Alec Pierce, would be big pieces of my dream offseason for Pats
On the other side of that coin, if they sign Linderbaum who is as good as they come, and if they believe in Campbell at LT as much as they say they do, then those two guys flanking Wilson at LG could make Wilson into a good guard.I didn't see Bradbury with the team come the final 53 man roster. So a 2027 5th round pick was excellent compensation especially since everyone is saying the 2027 draft may be the best one in years.
Obviously now, the plan is to move Wilson to center and keep Campbell at LT. Maybe an experienced and good LG pick up can make both players that much better.
They really haven't had a center of Wohlabaugh's caliber since he left. He never made a Prop Bowl or All Pro, but he scored the richest contract at that position in NFL history when he left for the Browns in 1999. While it was an overpay, he was a regarded within the top 3-5 at the position.Andrews, Stork, Wendell, Koppen, Woody, Wohlabaugh. Some of them were good but I feel like you are hyperbolic in your memories of our Centers.
I think Koppen was all pro 1 year and I know you said caliber, but I feel that it was quite the stretch. I do not think that level of center is necessary for this offense to succeed
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