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People comparing Maye to QBs from the past need to keep a lot of things in mind.

Maye looked like one of the best 23 year old QBs the NFL has ever seen, and that's against some teams with quality talent like the Bills, the Ravens, and if he hadn't fumbled, I'd say against the Texans too.

Remember, very few QBs have looked like 2018 Mahomes. Not even Tom Brady in his first or second year. Brady had meltdown interception games in his second year.

And let me remind you about another guy that had extreme difficulty playing against a top defense in his early career: Peyton Manning.

Titans: 19 of 42, 45% complete, 227 yds
Jets: 14 of 31, 45% complete, 137 yds, 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 41-0 loss
Patriots: 23-47, 49% complete, 237 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTs
2018 Mahomes also had Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce, and a very good offensive line. Most other 2nd year QBs don't have that kind of support. We've now seen 2025 Mahomes on a team with a more empty cupboard and it looked pretty mediocre. That's the reality of the NFL - nobody can do it alone. 2006 and 2013 Tom Brady come to mind as well.

I'm still encouraged about Maye and I think he's right on track. He has obvious improvements to make but they are the kind of improvements that should be expected with experience.

What we really need to do is upgrade the talent around him, within the constraints of limited resources that all NFL teams face. That's the real challenge and not something we can simply assume will happen. We cannot reach and overallocate resources in response to the last 4 games...otherwise we will end up with an unbalanced team. NFL is a game of sailing a boat that's constantly springing leaks - if you focus too much on one side you will end up with too many holes on the other. Nobody can be stacked at every position, it's about allocating your resources to find alpha.
 
Will Campbell gave up 14 pressures. It was reported to be the most by any lineman this year. That isn’t right. It was the most given up by any lineman EVER since nextgen began in 2015.

That…tells you everything. And the eyetest was even worse.

Not only is he not a LT, I’m now unsure if he’s a guard unless he adds massive power to his frame.
100% agree. The OL, specifically Campbell, rendered the offense completely ineffective last night. Starts and ends there IMO.
 
Yep that was a no brainer.
Guy is going to be a hall of famer and we let him walk and then wouldn't take him back for a 4th round pick.
 
It wasn’t just because of the OL, Maye was playing slower than the defenses he faced through the entire playoffs, and it finally caught up with him. He made the OL look worse because he didn’t scramble the way he had against weaker opponents, and he didn’t take care of the ball when he did try to get out of the pocket. It was also that defenses were better disciplined about keeping him hemmed in.
It's funny because gave him a lot of credit for staying poised in the pocket all year, standing strong in the face of the rush. Then we hit the playoffs, and that slow approach didn't work once he played defenses that dialed the speed up, it backfired.

He lost all ability to slide around the pocket in the playoffs. Not sure why Josh didn't dial up some roll outs, anything that would get him moving a bit, rather than stationary. When you watch your LT get pancaked, it's not going to draw confidence into the standard drop back.
 
Guy is going to be a hall of famer and we let him walk and then wouldn't take him back for a 4th round pick.
Even worse it was a 2026 4th rounder.

Wasn’t Thuney a 1st team all-pro again this year?
 
Some part of me, in the back of my mind, could see Vrabel trading Maye for a haul and then making Tommy DeVito the starter a la Ryan Tannehill of old. DeVito is limited but he is competent and he can run McDaniels' scheme well.

I really, REALLY don't think he'd do that, but... I can see it.
You might as well fire everyone on the Patriots if that happened
 
It's funny because gave him a lot of credit for staying poised in the pocket all year, standing strong in the face of the rush. Then we hit the playoffs, and that slow approach didn't work once he played defenses that dialed the speed up, it backfired.

He lost all ability to slide around the pocket in the playoffs. Not sure why Josh didn't dial up some roll outs, anything that would get him moving a bit, rather than stationary. When you watch your LT get pancaked, it's not going to draw confidence into the standard drop back.
He had 3 rollouts last night and all 3 were busts.
 
Drake is extremely high on my concern list. How many times do you have to hear him say, "I have to protect the football better" "I have to get the ball out quicker" "I have to blah blah blah".

Game after game after game. He is 10000 percent correct on all of that...but outside of the Denver game (which the only good thing was protecting the ball) he failed time and time again to correct those issues.

It's ****ing broken record at this point.

Oh and if anyone here would deny that if they saw any other young QB perform as Maye did tonight...and not laugh at them and say how ****ed their franchise was....isn't a serious person.
Kid has played a year and a half. The league was going to figure him out at some point. Now it's simply a question of whether he can figure out how to prepare and make the necessary adjustments. The SB playbook was too vanilla and predictable. It's already been hit on, but it was pretty evident the goal was to win with defense/Darnold mistakes early.

I do have some light concerns on whether he has the general makeup to figure all this out, as his pressers don't necessarily instill what I would call a ton of complexity to his thinking process.

It took Josh Allen a few years, let's not forget.
 
Obviously the o-line is most important. This o-line in the playoffs looked as bad as some of the o-lines from the Mac Jones years. Get a true LT. Rasheed Walker should probably be the target if he isn't franchised. Or target one in the first round.

The Pats need a true #1 WR. The Pats have a good selection of #2/#3/#4 WR types, but no one who can get consistent separation or teams need to allocate additional resources. So it is easy for a good secondary to cover the Pats' WRs.

Edge rusher. The Pats are dominant up the middle, but struggle to get an outside rush or set the edge. Maxx Crosby is tempting, but only if the Pats fulfil the needs of the other two needs first. Can't be giving up the draft capital only to let the other two needs to go unaddressed.

TE. They need a guy who can block as well as a threat up the middle. Henry seems to have dropped off as the season went along. He might be a point that he gets relegated to #2. Free agency has a lot of TE options. I see them addressing this need there.

More o-line help. Moses is old. Bradbury could use an upgrade. Owenu's contract is pretty big. Ultimately they need a younger RT and depending on Wilson's ability to play center, a new center. They need to redo Owenu's deal a bit.

Safety. Woodson is going to be a starter for years, but they need to upgrade from Hawkins.

LB. Spillane is great. Gibbens is a great back up, but they could use an upgrade there.
 
My areas of need:

Fix OL issues
Elite Edge
Elite weapon. TE, WR, RB, don't care.
Lock up Gonzo
Punter

It all starts up front on both sides of the ball.
 
Still annoys me we didn't trade for Thuney.
Thuney and Shaq Mason are still playing, BOTH should still be in NE, along with David Andrews. Had they been kept the whole time, the front office only needed to locate 2 OTs over the past couple seasons. Boggles my mind... The heart and soul of an offense if not the whole team is the OL. That's been a known formula here since #73 was in the locker room.
 
Even worse it was a 2026 4th rounder.

Wasn’t Thuney a 1st team all-pro again this year?
Yep 3rd year in a row he was a first team all-pro. That is now 3 first team, 2 second team, 4 Super Bowl rings, and the 2025 Protector of the Year award winner. That is a hall of fame resume and we bungled it twice.
 
Even worse it was a 2026 4th rounder.

Wasn’t Thuney a 1st team all-pro again this year?
Spending draft capital on aging veterans is something teams with championship objectives do. It does not make as much sense for team starting a long term restoration of talent. No one expected the team to be one or two players away from winning the super bowl. Hopefully they will adjust their perspective if similar opportunities present themselves this year.
 
Good job by Bill letting Thuney go. Certainly would not have needed a guy like him last night.

The Patriots need to have a QB coach work directly with Maye on pocket presence, getting the ball out quicker, and taking more check downs.
 
Thuney and Shaq Mason are still playing, BOTH should still be in NE, along with David Andrews. Had they been kept the whole time, the front office only needed to locate 2 OTs over the past couple seasons. Boggles my mind... The heart and soul of an offense if not the whole team is the OL. That's been a known formula here since #73 was in the locker room.
I loved David Andrews but I don’t think he would have been better than Bradburry
 
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