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patfanken said:
Personally I prefer that he doesn't win it and go into the playoffs with a huge chip on his shoulder and a more important MVP to win.
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NFL awards are 3 days before the SB, so won't put any chip on Maye's shoulder.....unless of course we get to the SB.
 
Dan Orlovsky knows about MVP QB play…,

 
To break this down:

-Stafford is (or was) having a better statistical MVP season, not because he’s actually been better in important stats but because historically TD:INT and passing yards are the biggest MVP driver (even though such metrics alone are stupid, they are the historical precedent). There’s debate and actual analysis (advanced stats, reasonable takes), and then there’s the actual voters (simple stats, dumb takes.)

-Stafford has indeed played a tougher schedule, in a tough division, and additionally, he couldn’t be blamed at all for the loss to Seattle

So those two points are the reason Stafford had the lead over Maye if the records had been even, and moreover, why Stafford still had the edge with an additional loss. 12-3 and 11-4 are pretty similar records and you can’t justifiably rip the MVP away from Stafford after that game, given all the tough foes this season.

But, that last loss changes a lot. 11-5 and 13-3 are much different records. The Rams aren’t only missing a top seed but now not close, just a typical wild card bid. And Stafford’s poor play can be attributed to that loss unlike the excused Seattle loss.

Maye should be the MVP and that’s always been the case. Why? For an obvious fact never brought up in MVP races for some dumb reason. These supporting casts are not similar in any way. Nacua is likely OPOY and Adams stacks the deck. Stafford’s latest gaffe has forced voters to reconsider everything. Maye is the MVP, deservedly so, if he closes it out with a decent performance.
 
Ice_Ice_Brady said:
To break this down:

-Stafford is (or was) having a better statistical MVP season, not because he’s actually been better in important stats but because historically TD:INT and passing yards are the biggest MVP driver (even though such metrics alone are stupid, they are the historical precedent). There’s debate and actual analysis (advanced stats, reasonable takes), and then there’s the actual voters (simple stats, dumb takes.)

-Stafford has indeed played a tougher schedule, in a tough division, and additionally, he couldn’t be blamed at all for the loss to Seattle

So those two points are the reason Stafford had the lead over Maye if the records had been even, and moreover, why Stafford still had the edge with an additional loss. 13-3 and 12-4 are pretty similar records and you can’t justifiably rip the MVP away from Stafford after that game, given all the tough foes this season.

But, that last loss changes a lot. 11-5 and 13-3 are much different records. The Rams aren’t only missing a top seed but now not close, just a typical wild card bid. And Stafford’s poor play can be attributed to that loss unlike the excused Seattle loss.

Maye should be the MVP and that’s always been the case. Why? For an obvious fact never brought up in MVP races for some dumb reason. These supporting casts are not similar in any way. Nacua is likely OPOY and Adams stacks the deck. Stafford’s latest gaffe has forced voters to reconsider everything. Maye is the MVP, deservedly so, if he closes it out with a decent performance.
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Good to see you back bro!
 
With Stafford trending down over the past month, the new media backed fave is McCaffrey.
 
It's funny seeing the Stafford for MVP people get tied in a mental pretzel when they use the "Stafford had a harder schedule, Maye had a easy one" and people you respond with "they played 6 common opponents, Maye was 6-0, Stafford was 4-2 and Stafford was reason for the 2 losses"'

6 games his 1/3 of the regular season, so it isn't some small sample
 
Uptown said:
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It's a shame so many of the voters have extreme biases and make the decisions based upon factors other than who the actual Most Valuable Player actually is. I realize it's subjective, but when you see things like Breer's podcast room with his Stafford jerseys you know they are playing favorites.
 
JMC00 said:
It's funny seeing the Stafford for MVP people get tied in a mental pretzel when they use the "Stafford had a harder schedule, Maye had a easy one" and people you respond with "they played 6 common opponents, Maye was 6-0, Stafford was 4-2 and Stafford was reason for the 2 losses"'

6 games his 1/3 of the regular season, so it isn't some small sample
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Also Stafford have the best WR in Football statistically Puka Nacua and nice stable of RB's and TE's. Stafford have superior talent across the board compared to Maye. Oh and I forgot to mention WR Davante Adams.
 
I used to say this all the time with Brady, when people used to argue about his greatness, bottom line, at the end of the day, the QB is the guy making the throws. You can use strength of schedule, new fangled stats, talent level he has around him, but you still have to make the throws.

That’s what I love about Maye, he has ZERO fear when it comes to deep throws, tight windows, contested passes/catches, pressure, blitzes, he just slings it. And at a very accurate level (most accurate in the NFL). And like Brady, he doesn’t let his own mistakes get him down, he just keeps attacking.

He reminds me very much of Marino in one key factor. He elevates the talent around him. Mark Clayton and Mark Duper weren’t household names until they started playing with Marino (though one of them was a 2nd round pick I believe). Same thing with some of Maye’s weapons. I believe prior to the season, PFF claimed the Pat’s had the 32nd ranked receiver group. They aren’t as bad as that, but they certainly aren’t Puka Nakua and Devonte Adams.

Yes Diggs had been fantastic, he’s actually in the top 20 in receptions, he is always considered a good to very good receiver, albeit one coming off of a torn ACL. The rest of the Pat’s receivers, average NFL fans probably can’t name any of them.

Yet here we are, with Maye having some unbelievable stats, and some of those stats haven’t been done before. I don’t care if he wins the MVP, I only care about him continuing to play at this level, and the Pats continuing to win.
 
Huckleberry1 said:
It's a shame so many of the voters have extreme biases and make the decisions based upon factors other than who the actual Most Valuable Player actually is. I realize it's subjective, but when you see things like Breer's podcast room with his Stafford jerseys you know they are playing favorites.
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I know of the Orlovsky bias, that is flagrant.
Isn't Breer a Boston guy?
Did he have other jerseys on the wall or just Stafford?
If it's just Stafford, that is a terrible look.
 
PatsFan2 said:
Also Stafford have the best WR in Football statistically Puka Nacua and nice stable of RB's and TE's. Stafford have superior talent across the board compared to Maye. Oh and I forgot to mention WR Davante Adams.
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Ya it's hysterical when people completely ignore Kyren Williams, ignoring a RB that has 1500 combined yards and 13 TD is crazy.

The best offensive skill player Maye/Pats have as far as yardage/TD goes has been Treveyon Henderson, a rookie, who has 1080 yards 8 TDs
 
DoubleDeluxe said:
I know of the Orlovsky bias, that is flagrant.
Isn't Breer a Boston guy?
Did he have other jerseys on the wall or just Stafford?
If it's just Stafford, that is a terrible look.
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From what I could tell the shot had just a Stafford jersey.
 
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