PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Training Camp Day 1 - July 23

captain stone · Jul 23, 2025

WazzuWheatfarmer said:
Honestly, at the time probably Noel. But I may have been wrong to do so.

I would've also taken Noel, and seen if Williams was still available at 95.

raduray · Jul 23, 2025

Glad to see Terrell Williams back.

Patriots defensive coordinator Terrell Williams returns after health scare

Patriots defensive coordinator Terrell Williams is in Foxborough this week after a health scare kept him away during the spring.

www.boston.com

Salsalife · Jul 24, 2025

Ian said:

We in trouble..

Clonamery · Jul 24, 2025

WazzuWheatfarmer said:
Hoping Kyle Williams proves me dead wrong. I watched him a lot at WSU. Saw him play live quite a bit. He’s fast, quick, and sudden for sure. A threat to take it all the way whenever he touched it in college. I wasn’t sure he quite had that home run speed at the nfl. Still not sure. My main concern with him was durability. Seemed like he was always dinged up. I’ve heard nothing but good things about his work eithic, though. I’m excited to watch him as a Patriot. So far he looks great. Really hoping he becomes a Star with the Patriots.

He was Manx's guy from the get go.

Clonamery · Jul 24, 2025

Salsalife said:
We in trouble..

FFS. You have no self-control, do you?

Salsalife · Jul 24, 2025

captain stone said:
I wish we had Wilfork/Barmore or Wilfork/Williams instead of Barmore/Williams.

3-4 switch...nice to dream.

Family · Jul 24, 2025

mike_usagisan said:
Yeah, suddenly RT is looking shaky. But maybe Lowe is the better backup?

Can he even play right side?

One-If-By-Sea said:
The TE on that side can chip the DE? Moses is probably OK if the outside rush is held up slightly.

It's depth Moses is an old guy.

Right tackle has been a problem for years.

Wozzy · Jul 24, 2025

n1997y said:
Last year is history. What matters is what they do this year. “Past performance is not indicative of future results.”

Yes, Pop was the best we had last year.

We didn’t have F-ton last year.

Producing in a dumpster fire shows competence.

Wozzy · Jul 24, 2025

captain stone said:
I take weed. You?

Take something for your abject negativity.

DoubleDeluxe · Jul 24, 2025

WazzuWheatfarmer said:
Hoping Kyle Williams proves me dead wrong. I watched him a lot at WSU. Saw him play live quite a bit. He’s fast, quick, and sudden for sure. A threat to take it all the way whenever he touched it in college. I wasn’t sure he quite had that home run speed at the nfl. Still not sure. My main concern with him was durability. Seemed like he was always dinged up. I’ve heard nothing but good things about his work eithic, though. I’m excited to watch him as a Patriot. So far he looks great. Really hoping he becomes a Star with the Patriots.

He played in every WSU game (25) the past two years. Seems like he is availability wasn’t a problem, but I’m not going to pretend I watched many WSU games. So do u mean he got nicked up in game, and missed plays?

mike_usagisan · Jul 24, 2025

One-If-By-Sea said:
The TE on that side can chip the DE? Moses is probably OK if the outside rush is held up slightly.

I'm more worried about Moses's body not holding up for the season.

The Gr8est · Jul 24, 2025

Family said:
Can he even play right side?

It's depth Moses is an old guy.

Right tackle has been a problem for years.

Moses may already be mentally transitioning to being a coach?

He knows he doesn’t have much left.

mike_usagisan · Jul 24, 2025

The Gr8est said:
Moses may already be mentally transitioning to being a coach?

He knows he doesn’t have much left.

Right, but we don't have a ton of depth at RT behind him.

Ross12 · Jul 24, 2025

One-If-By-Sea said:
Agree. But I still wish Williams was a bit bigger. 5'11" and 190 lbs. is tough to stay healthy in the NFL. He should be good to great for 4 to 6 years.

The comp to Diggs is interesting. Diggs was able to do everything and stay healthy generally.

Diggs:
6'0"
195 lbs
4.46 forty yd dash
1.54 ten yd split

K. Williams:
5'11"
190 lbs
4.40 forty yd dash
1.55 ten yd split

Ross12 · Jul 24, 2025

This stuff with Moses is massively overblown. It seems likely to me that he was barely used as part of veteran management. He 'looked bad' in a couple of plays on day one in a non-padded practice. That means basically nothing. If he struggles when the pads come on and he's actually out there more than a few snaps then I'll actually pay attention to it. As of now, I think it's much more reasonable to expect him to submit a similar level of performance as he did in 2024.

captain stone · Jul 24, 2025

Wozzy said:
Take something for your abject negativity.

It’s called Reality. Try it, you’ll like it…

Wozzy · Jul 24, 2025

captain stone said:
It’s called Reality. Try it, you’ll like it…

Reality…

mike_usagisan · Jul 24, 2025

Ross12 said:
This stuff with Moses is massively overblown. It seems likely to me that he was barely used as part of veteran management. He 'looked bad' in a couple of plays on day one in a non-padded practice. That means basically nothing. If he struggles when the pads come on and he's actually out there more than a few snaps then I'll actually pay attention to it. As of now, I think it's much more reasonable to expect him to submit a similar level of performance as he did in 2024.

I don't think anyone is saying Moses won't play this season and is done. I think it's a question of depth, as the players behind him are Lowe (if he can be a swing tackle) and Jacobs. It could end up being an area of concern.

DoubleDeluxe · Jul 24, 2025

Ross12 said:
The comp to Diggs is interesting. Diggs was able to do everything and stay healthy generally.

Diggs:
6'0"
195 lbs
4.46 forty yd dash
1.54 ten yd split

K. Williams:
5'11"
190 lbs
4.40 forty yd dash
1.55 ten yd split

Pretty similar to AB who has generally healthy (maybe not mentally!) through this career.

5’10
186
4.56 40 at combine
1.58 split.

AB was neither big nor fast by NFL standards, but he sure had no problem getting open and making plenty of big plays

PatsFan2 · Jul 24, 2025

WazzuWheatfarmer said:
Honestly, at the time probably Noel. But I may have been wrong to do so.

I think it was very close between the two I like em both.

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