PostGame Thread Official Post Game Thread- Cowboys beat the Pats

condon84 said:

Yes the Pats offense was pathetic for much of the game with conservative play calling.

After the second TD in the first they went fumble, punt, end of half, punt, punt punt. They gained 48 yards for almost 3 quarters.

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Except it wasn't conservative. But you clearly can't be bothered to pay attention to what happened. You don't know what conservative play-calling actually is. That's the problem here.

The fumble wasn't because of "conservative" play-calling. They'd already hit Agholor for 27 on that series. They were going for a longer pass again when Jones got sacked. That, right there, destroys your claim of conservative play calling.

The first two plays on the series that had the blocked punt were check downs because of the pressure Dallas was bringing. But why bother with facts.

What play were the Pats running on Gregory's 2nds sack? Hmm.. OH.. A deeper passing play.. But, no.. They weren't being aggressive.

Yep. You got one right. The bad Bolden Run call.. Great job..

The 3rd punt.. They had a 6 yard run and a 9 yard run.. The Pass to Henry was a check-down. Then a Meyers drop. Yep.. Such bad play-calling. SMH..

Your 48 yards claim is a bunch of crap. They had 72 yards in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. But it was from poor execution. Not Bad play-calling. Helps to watch the game and not just fire off with what you THINK happened vs. what ACTUALLY happened.

Ras-IR Dowling said:

Medicals will have to check out but Burkhead could be that guy. Buried on the Texans depth chart. Knows the offense so it shouldn’t take long to pick it up. And it stops us from putting bolden out there.

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Personally, I am surprised they haven't tried to work out Todd Gurley, Duke Johnson, Kerryon Johnson, or some of the other RBs on the street who can catch the ball.

Ras-IR Dowling said:

And you don’t think there could be a disconnect between what’s being coached and what the players are actually doing on the field? This would be on both the players and coaches. With this I’m referring mostly to the defense; the OL right now is mainly a talent issue. We’re playing multiple backups and there’s a reason they’re backups. Cajuste getting whipped by Gregory shouldn’t be a surprise.

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Of course not. That’s how it goes around here. When times were good, it was “BB is putting the players in the position to succeed!” When they aren’t going as well, he gets off Scot free and it’s all the players on the field (whom he drafted and signed, mind you). Anything to avoid criticizing the Golden god.

Redman443 said:

now you have a 4th and 3, obviously if you go for it and don’t get it you give the ball back to Dallas at around midfield but they were shredding the secondary all game long and even if you do punt, it’s probably likely that they’ll drive and at least make a field goal.

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Punting was the right move there. I'm stunned that anyone even questions that.

Some early coaching mistakes cost a lot. They just seem timid and they don't trust too many of they guys they have.
- should have challenged the 3rd down catch (it was a 1st)
- after Rham ran 2x, why bring in Bolden on 3rd & 2 - who can't run
- WR screens in the 3rd qtr, when downfield was working
- Playing Wynn to start 2nd half - he sucks - then Herron comes back
- Not using Rham more in the 4th/OT - especially the last 3rd down play.

ArchAngel007 said:

We almost lost to the Texans...We are a 2-4 team that have lost 4 straight home games. I wouldn't be to confident about the playoffs right now

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The Patriots seemed to sleepwalk through the first half last week. The second they got their fire back in the second half, the game was lopsided. And if they didn't fumble away a TD on the goalline in the first half, the game might not have been even close.

Wait I found something new to love in the wisdom of the GDT cogniscenti

"This wasn't on Mac Jones, this was on the coaching staff"

Isn't this pretty much shorthand for

"Bill the Head Coach is getting in the way of Bill the GM?"

eustis22 said:

I don;t believe BB has been aggressive in the last three years...I no longer expect him to possess l'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace.

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I guess you haven't watched the games the last 3 years because I've seen PLENTY of aggressiveness. But like any smart General, you have to pick and choose when to be aggressive. But your players have to execute. If they don't, then that's on them.

Such as Van Noy peeling off to try and get to Prescott instead of staying with his man. Prescott hit the guy that Van Noy had been covering and it went for a Dallas decent gain.

Rob0729 said:

I know people have written off the season, but I still think the Pats have a chance to make the playoffs. It is a long shot, but I could see 9-8 making that third wild card spot. Right now there are only five teams ahead of them in the wild card race and only one of them are ahead of them by more than one game.

The Pats are not that far away from losing close games like this to winning them. And the Bills are the only team left on their schedule that are as good or better than the Cowboys and Bucs. The Browns and Panthers aren't nearly are scary as they looked a few weeks ago. They have both come down to earth a bit.

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Yeah, losing in the present moment sucks, but the season is far from over. There are 11 games left to be played. I'm not happy right now, but I'm still looking forward to watching the rest of the season and will root for the best. Like you said, I don't think they're far-off. They're not elite, but they're a good team that needs find ways to win close games.

I know this is complete copium, but if Buffalo loses tomorrow night (or any one of their remaining games), the Pats still control their own destiny in the division (as of now). There is a lot of football to be played and things will look different in 8-10 weeks. Will it be favorable for the Pats? We'll see.

cmasspatsfan said:

Blaming the OC is such a Jetes fan thing. We haven't sunk that low, have we?

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Mcdaniels was the OC in three, maybe four SB wins, so i havent questioned his calls, but this year i'm starting to.

Rob0729 said:

Personally, I am surprised they haven't tried to work out Todd Gurley, Duke Johnson, Kerryon Johnson, or some of the other RBs on the street who can catch the ball.

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It’s becoming painfully obvious each week that we need a true 3rd down back. We have two solid early down guys and Brandon bolden. We’re not gonna find another White. But we sure as hell can find someone better than bolden at this point. And I think bolden is a solid STmer. But his days as a serviceable rb are long gone.

dreighver said:

The delay-of-game / pick-6 sequence, where McDaniels motioned the HB out, and then went 5-wide, declaring with 100% certainty on both plays that they were throwing the ball, completely eliminating any threat of run/PA. Late in the game, up by a point, needing to use clock and try to get a first-down (or two) to seal the game, the threat of the run/PA is the most important strategic leverage you have as an offensive coach. That play-calling an inexcusable.

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Yep. The Patriots were gaining about 5 ypc and the clock gave them an incentive to run. It would have been a great play for a screen or reverse as well.

slash83 said:

Mcds has no killer mentality in his play calling. Goes straight to inside run plays after chunk yardage pass plays.

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So let's be clear here:


Josh McDaniels, the guy who spent years getting yelled at by the Patsfans.com offensive coordinators in training, for going aggressive on 3rd and short, has no killer mentality in his play calling?

sb1 said:

What does that have to do with anything? YOU HAVE THE BALL!

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That was a bad....really bad answer.

UGAPatsfan said:

If I’m Kraft, BB is coming to my office to explain why I just spent record $$$ on free agents he said we needed only to be winless at home and 2-4.

Mills…woof.

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ROFLMAO. Mills was hardly the worse player out there. Try Van Noy. Only thing he did right in the game was grabbing the Fumble that Bentley forced.

dreighver said:

Yeah, losing in the present moment sucks, but the season is far from over. There are 11 games left to be played. I'm not happy right now, but I'm still looking forward to watching the rest of the season and will root for the best. Like you said, I don't think they're far-off. They're not elite, but they're a good team that needs find ways to win close games.

I know this is complete copium, but if Buffalo loses tomorrow night, the Pats still control their own destiny in the division. There is a lot of football to be played and things will look different in 8-10 weeks. Will it be favorable for the Pats? We'll see.

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I don't see the Pats winning the division. The Bills are too good. The Pats probably could only lose one or two more games the rest of the way to win the division. Don't see that happening.

Rob0729 said:

I know people have written off the season, but I still think the Pats have a chance to make the playoffs. It is a long shot, but I could see 9-8 making that third wild card spot. Right now there are only five teams ahead of them in the wild card race and only one of them are ahead of them by more than one game.

The Pats are not that far away from losing close games like this to winning them. And the Bills are the only team left on their schedule that are as good or better than the Cowboys and Bucs. The Browns and Panthers aren't nearly are scary as they looked a few weeks ago. They have both come down to earth a bit.

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If they can clean up mistakes and turnovers they will win. Stating the obvious. They can function with the oline. Mac is bound for a major breakout game if theyll allow him

VectorPrime said:

Aside from next week there is not a single game going forward where the Pats should be favored.

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Yup. I see why you say this. When the Patriots win, they do so unimpressively, and when they lose, they lose at the end of the game and get a moral victory

Rob0729 said:

The Pats can win all four of those games. The Chargers and Panthers are not as good as Tampa or Dallas. I wouldn't put any money on it. But it is possible.

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I think you forget that the Patriots are 2-4.

Gone are the days where we can laugh at other teams and assume we can beat them.

Proof: New Orleans and Miami are not as good as Tampa Bay and Dallas, and they still won us.

MAC10 said:

The saints are not horrible...

Other than the Bills, no team left on the schedule is as tough as Dallas and TB. If this team stops making costly mistakes and we start to get healthier, they can win some games down the stretch.

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That's a big if.

Here's the thing: teams that make costly mistakes and find ways to lose games early in the year, usually don't fix that.

We're 2-4. We didn't just lose to elite teams: we lost Miami and New Orleans as well.

We're no different than the 2020 Giants, who could have easily been 10-6 if they won the close game against Tampa, Philly, Dallas, etc.

Rob0729 said:

Smith has mostly been used as a blocker. I can't even remember seeing him running a route. I am sure he has, but I cannot remember seeing him.

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You don't remember the ball he tipped to a DB for a pick 6 in the New Orleans game?

If you look at the big picture right now the Dolphins game really killed this team, if you're 3-3 right now you could even still be positive about the rest of the season but at 2-4 you're basically buried.