Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training camp

[Kontradiction]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Kontra -Don't you think that playing for a team that was loosing every game had a toll on his level of play? Throw out last season - He's a bad ass. We need as many bad ass defensive players as we can stock our team with - just think of what Bill could do with Jason. It would be nuts.

I'm for it. However, I understand he's old and all that crap - Teddys old, Jr.'s old, Vrabel's old, Rodney's old.......what's one more 32 year old on the defensive side?

I can understand where you're coming from. If he came here and split reps with either Seymour or Warren (preferably Seymour since he has a history of injuries) then it would be good. No way to do I offer a 2nd or a 3rd for someone who is in his 30's though. A 4th is the most I'd give in this situation. But then again, I'm not a part of the New England coaching staff/personnel.

While I don't doubt for a second that his skills are eroding,

it seems odd that a person named NFL defensive player of the year only 16 months ago, without suffering any known injury, is so quickly viewed by many as not worth even a second day draft pick.

He was in a lose-every-week situation that had everything to do with pathetic coaching, years of lousy personnel decisions, and flat-out ineptitude in offensive design and play-calling.

He loses a lot in my eyes for seemingly having football a lower priority than going all Hollywood though.

Belichick and Parcells would have about equal tolerance for that (as in zero).

I'd give a second day for a guy, but the most would be a 4th round draft pick. The reasons, as I stated before, are that we already have two very capable 3-4 DEs. If he came in as a situational guy (as in pass rush) to relieve Seymour than that's fine. I'd gladly give a 4th for him. But a 2nd and/or a 3rd for a guy in his 30's skipping mini-camp to "Dance With the Stars" is not worth it to me. Plus, you can tell he played all out on every play last season if you watch Dolphins games. He was one of the only guys in which the coaching staff credited with going all out on every play. Maybe it was because he was drawing a lot of double teams due to the year before or maybe it's because his skills are eroding. In this case, the latter is more likely.

That guy in your signature says "Hi".

Good point. However, I think it would be far-fetched to say that Jason completely quit on his team last year.

All this aside. Even if Parcells started shopping Taylor again, there is no way he sends him here. We are the guys he is trying to knock off. He would be doing his franchise a favor by sending him out of the division/conference.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

He is worth graping, not a long term solution, but like Jr. he could be very valuable for 1 or 2 years.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Chances of Parcells trading Jason Taylor to the Patriots
=
Hillary Clinton's chances to grab the republican nomination

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Extremely slim to none

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Shaun Alexander is trying his best to prove you wrong.

Shaun had a serious concussion, a fractured toe, a fractured wrist, and a steady decline over 2 seasons not 1, and running backs are almost unique in the shortness of their shelf life.

I would guess that effective 32 year old linebacker/defensive ends outnumber effective 29 year old running backs by a comfortable margin.

 

[ScottieC]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Chances of Parcells trading Jason Taylor to the Patriots
=
Hillary Clinton's chances to grab the republican nomination

=
Extremely slim to none

Well, to Parcells is about value - If you give him a precieved value, I think he would do it. I don't think he's afraid of loosing to us next year - That might already be a foregone conclusion in his mind. He's going to trade him to the team that offers the best value for the Dolphins - We have two 2nd's next year.

He does not hate the Patriots, he hates Bill - Have Scott talk with him, hell he's married to the Tuna's daughter.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Well, to Parcells is about value - If you give him a precieved value, I think he would do it. I don't think he's afraid of loosing to us next year - That might already be a foregone conclusion in his mind. He's going to trade him to the team that offers the best value for the Dolphins - We have two 2nd's next year.

He does not hate the Patriots, he hates Bill - Have Scott talk with him, hell he's married to the Tuna's daughter.

Does his daughter look like she swallowed a tire too?

 

[ScottieC]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Does his daughter look like she swallowed a tire too?

Good question. Someone post a pic of Parcell's Daughter/Scott P.'s wife.

Here we go, all TMZ again.

 

[SoCal Pmen]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

I can see him getting traded to the Giants if Strahan calls the quits. He can then play for a contender all the while be in NY to start up his career in entertainment which is what he wants. Maybe Tiki Barber can mentor him.

 

[mgteich]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

1) There is no way Parcells is trading Taylor to us. I suspect he might let him sit out the season.

2) There is no way that Taylor, under reasonable contract terms, is not worth a 2nd.

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Where does that leave the patriots? Waiting for Taylor to be cut, I think.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Good question. Someone post a pic of Parcell's Daughter/Scott P.'s wife.

Here we go, all TMZ again.

Just found a pic of Parcell's Daughter - What a hottie!!!

http://www.humboldt.edu/~circus/graphics/MonkeyBarrelBeardedLady.jpg

 

[ScottieC]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Just found a pic of Parcell's Daughter - What a hottie!!!

http://www.humboldt.edu/~circus/graphics/MonkeyBarrelBeardedLady.jpg

Yikes. Scott Pioli will be looking for you.

 

[GostkowSKI]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Chances of Parcells trading Jason Taylor to the Patriots
=
Hillary Clinton's chances to grab the republican nomination

=
Extremely slim to none

I'd say Hillary's chances of grabbing the republican nomination are much worse than that.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

First, Taylor at 230 pounds is not going to be a down lineman in a gap control system so get rid of the thought of him sharing time with Sey or Warren. He would be playing one of the linebacker positions if he came here.

 

[bradmahn]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

I love all these concrete finalities.

Taylor would fit much more at OLB than splitting time with Seymour or Warren. He weighs 255. He can still rush the passer (11 sacks last season) and has not missed a game since 1999. Jason Taylor remains a hell of a player.

That said, he's due $15.5 million over the next two seasons and I think would need a pay cut to play for the Pats, but Parcells (who, as far as I know, doesn't "hate" Belichick) would have to either be resigned to the very real idea of going 0-4 against the Patriots the next two years or think that a pick (or multiple picks) from the Patriots would simply be better value than an unhappy Taylor or a no-show Taylor, even if he is playing for the Patriots. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Parcells feels that the team would be better off without a disgruntled Taylor.

If that's the case, it's simply a matter of what everyone is willing to pay. He's not going to want to go to a non-contender which immediately puts the Patriots in a small group of suitors. His value to a team is most likely going to hinge upon that very fat, two-year contract and what he's willing to leave on the table to play for a contender. He's good friends with Brady, the Patriots have the best recent history of success and he'd make this front seven something crazy good (does anyone know if Taylor has an affinity for Capers?). He could be willing to take a Randy-like deal, and if that's the case I think two years of Taylor could be worth one of the two second rounders the Patriots can offer, and certainly a third rounder (especially when Asante looks to net the Pats a compensatory third rounder next year).

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

I love all these concrete finalities.

Taylor would fit much more at OLB than splitting time with Seymour or Warren. He weighs 255. He can still rush the passer (11 sacks last season) and has not missed a game since 1999. Jason Taylor remains a hell of a player.

That said, he's due $15.5 million over the next two seasons and I think would need a pay cut to play for the Pats, but Parcells (who, as far as I know, doesn't "hate" Belichick) would have to either be resigned to the very real idea of going 0-4 against the Patriots the next two years or think that a pick (or multiple picks) from the Patriots would simply be better value than an unhappy Taylor or a no-show Taylor, even if he is playing for the Patriots. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Parcells feels that the team would be better off without a disgruntled Taylor.

If that's the case, it's simply a matter of what everyone is willing to pay. He's not going to want to go to a non-contender which immediately puts the Patriots in a small group of suitors. His value to a team is most likely going to hinge upon that very fat, two-year contract and what he's willing to leave on the table to play for a contender. He's good friends with Brady, the Patriots have the best recent history of success and he'd make this front seven something crazy good (does anyone know if Taylor has an affinity for Capers?). He could be willing to take a Randy-like deal, and if that's the case I think two years of Taylor could be worth one of the two second rounders the Patriots can offer, and certainly a third rounder (especially when Asante looks to net the Pats a compensatory third rounder next year).

According to news reports out of Florida, the choices are: he get traded to a contender or he retires. He is not going to be disgruntled Dolphin.

If I was BP I would be looking to trade him to an NFC team (Dallas, Greenbay, Giants, etc)

 

[bradmahn]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

According to news reports out of Florida, the choices are: he get traded to a contender or he retires. He is not going to be disgruntled Dolphin.

If I was BP I would be looking to trade him to an NFC team (Dallas, Greenbay, Giants, etc)

That first part is bad news provided he doesn't make it to the Patriots.

The NFC team idea is an interesting one because it seems to be the smartest option at first glance, but what difference does it make to the Dolphins? They would have to feel that Taylor doesn't want to play much longer, so they could send him to an AFC team because they must also know that their team kinda sucks now and is at least another season of suck away from contending for the playoffs - let alone the Super Bowl. They have so many internal holes, I don't think they have the luxury of worrying about how other AFC teams are going to fare.

With the exception of the Patriots.

If Parcells feels that the Patriots will still be the king of the division two, three years from now (when they realistically look to compete), what difference does it make how they [the Patriots] do in the meantime? He could look at a high round pick from the Patriots as a good way to prevent a player from helping the Patriots three years from now while giving the Dolphins a player in return.

Usually I'd say a team is highly unlikely to trade a player intra-division but the Dolphins current situation makes it a very individualistic scenario, and the Patriots have certainly shown they aren't afraid of doing so.

 

[rayyu882]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

According to news reports out of Florida, the choices are: he get traded to a contender or he retires. He is not going to be disgruntled Dolphin.

If I was BP I would be looking to trade him to an NFC team (Dallas, Greenbay, Giants, etc)

I'll say let him retires, few weeks later, we get him out of retirement and sign him cheap!

 

[BRiZ]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

At this point Parcells could send him here, there may not be many teams offering anything for him now. If Taylor is gunna retire or they will be forced to cut him in the end hes going to sign with the Pats anyways, so why not make the Pats pay something for him and hurt them in the process? If you could get a 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th out of the Pats you take it at this point.

 

[bradmahn]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Schefter just said the Dolphins were looking for a second rounder at the draft and said they won't get that now, FWIW. No one offered it then, so it should take less to get him now.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: Jason Taylor situation heats up considerably: no workouts, minicamp, or training

Schefter just said the Dolphins were looking for a second rounder at the draft and said they won't get that now, FWIW. No one offered it then, so it should take less to get him now.

Last time we sent a 2nd rounder down to Miami it worked out okay for us.