NYT: Walsh sends tapes to Goodell, NO walkthrough tape, all from 2000-2002

[PATRIOT64]

Why did this happen so early instead of May 13th

Does Walsh suffer from premature eJERKulation?

 

[spacecrime]

Why did this happen so early instead of May 13th

Does Walsh suffer from premature eJERKulation?

It was always scheduled that the tapes would be turned over on May 8.

May 13 is when Goodell will address the evidence pubicly.

 

[Wildo7]

I could feel the love, so I just had to stop by. It's like having my own little cheering section.

I have to agree that if this is all Walsh has next week, then I don't think that anything more will happen to the Pats. He doesn't have the Big Enchilada (the Rams SB tape) and from the article it sounds like the only new thing might be that there were offensive signals taped also. That strikes even me as "more of the same," even if my team was one of the victims in the tapes.

Looks like Walsh's mouth did overload his butt in some sense (which I had thought was about a 70% chance), although I also think that what happened was that before Walsh made his comment about "things out there no one has taken responsibility for yet" in late Jan./early Feb. Goodell had not yet announced that the Pats' taping activities went back to 2000--as you may recall, he only said that after Walsh's quotes were public, perhaps in an attempt to cut the ground out from under Walsh (which was successful it looks like).

So, yeah, looks like it was only the cheating you've already been punished for, unless Walsh has more to say on Tuesday in addition to the tapes turned over, which is possible, but we'll see. If he does, he'll need to provide additional proof presumably (I still think in such case my lie detector idea may come into play.) Does make one wonder though where Tomasse got his information if it wasn't Walsh as Levy claims in the article.

What's funny is that folks around the League who haven't followed this story closely are already saying that this is new and the Pats should be fined more (including on some Bills sites). As noted above, and as someone who has followed the story closely, I don't think that's going to be the case here, as Goodell did say belatedly the taping went back to 2000, so this is stuff he was aware of in Sept. when he took your pick away and fined BB. If Walsh has nothing else, you should be fine (and that's "fine" and not "fined").

pretty fair assessment of the situation actually. My only beef is that I think the media has deliberately played down the fact that since "spygate" broke it has been admitted that they taped since 2000. It seems ridiculous that even pretty attentive fans aren't aware of that, which means the media did selectively report certain things.

 

[PATRIOT64]

The reason why the Patriots were punished in the first place was because they were caught a year or so ago and was told NOT to do it again and they did do it again so a punishment was expected for being 'bad'

BUT If these tapes are only evidence from times PRIOR to the warning the team had,then everything Walsh has is Irrelevant as long as it pertains to what the team was warned about at that time after 2000-2002 and what the team already admitted doing.

A closed and shut case I assume unless tapes show some other activity on those tapes not yet reported that did not relate to the reason for the punishment set down after week 1 last year.

 

[Jackson 2]

pretty fair assessment of the situation actually. My only beef is that I think the media has deliberately played down the fact that since "spygate" broke it has been admitted that they taped since 2000. It seems ridiculous that even pretty attentive fans aren't aware of that, which means the media did selectively report certain things.

It was particularly disappointing to watch Mike Lynch on Ch.5 this evening lead with this story in a manner which clearly lead (mislead?) viewers into believing that this was big news in terms of the Pats potentially being in more trouble. He made a point of saying that after Walsh meets with Goodell next week he will be flown to Washington to meet with the Specter. Lynch clearly reported this in a way in which a viewer might surmise that the Patriots are anything but exonerated by this evening's revelations. Anyone else see it that way?

 

[jbb9s]

On ESPN radio they said that Herm Edwards as a Jets coach actually waived at the camera when he was being taped..(it was common knowledge of course by even the other coaches)....this is news to me - the waiving part. Can anyone clarify this?

 

[Wildo7]

On ESPN radio they said that Herm Edwards as a Jets coach actually waived at the camera when he was being taped..(it was common knowledge of course by even the other coaches)....this is news to me - the waiving part. Can anyone clarify this?

Yeah this came out a couple of months ago. Jest fans claimed it was "Herm being a moron and not caring whether the Jets win" but anyone with a brain could see that this puts the "indiscretion" into perspective.

 

[Sivy]

man, I freaking hate!!!!! jets fans. They are just so freaking stupid, I am so sick of hear "cheatroits" or *pats, its realy really getting old. I was just on jetsinsider and even a douche mod changed a title to "walshes tapes prove the patriots cheated in afc championship game"

http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169624


I really REALLY cant wait untill the season starts.

Its a good thing BB is the coach of our great team and not me, cuz I'd be fired for sure.

 

[PATRIOT64]

man, I freaking hate!!!!! jets fans. They are just so freaking stupid, I am so sick of hear "cheatroits" or *pats, its realy really getting old. I was just on jetsinsider and even a douche mod changed a title to "walshes tapes prove the patriots cheated in afc championship game"

http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169624


I really REALLY cant wait untill the season starts.

Its a good thing BB is the coach of our great team and not me, cuz I'd be fired for sure.

If you don't want to hear anti-patriot stuff why are you being an idiot and going on the opponents fans websites then whining over here to us about them bashing this team,Like we would think otherwise?

Do you see lots of love for any division opponent or the Colts on this website?,How many Peyton Manning bashings or Chad Pennington noodle arm insults can you count in archived posts here? - maybe 1,000,000 or more? - ITS EXPECTED,DUH!

WTF do you expect to see on a Jets website - LOVE for the Patriots?

 

[Gator Mike]

On ESPN radio they said that Herm Edwards as a Jets coach actually waived at the camera when he was being taped..(it was common knowledge of course by even the other coaches)....this is news to me - the waiving part. Can anyone clarify this?

Didn't Goodell acknowledge this during his pre-Super Bowl State of the League address?

 

[Hardboiled]

On ESPN radio they said that Herm Edwards as a Jets coach actually waived at the camera when he was being taped..(it was common knowledge of course by even the other coaches)....this is news to me - the waiving part. Can anyone clarify this?

Herm waving

 

[Sivy]

If you don't want to hear anti-patriot stuff why are you being an idiot and going on the opponents fans websites then whining over here to us about them bashing this team,Like we would think otherwise?

Do you see lots of love for any division opponent or the Colts on this website?,How many Peyton Manning bashings or Chad Pennington noodle arm insults can you count in archived posts here? - maybe 1,000,000 or more? - ITS EXPECTED,DUH!

WTF do you expect to see on a Jets website - LOVE for the Patriots?

you know, you're right...I was actually just sitting here thinking "why am i reading this crap jets site" the only logical thing i can think of is that I like to get pised off at them, and it makes it much much better when they get crushed.

2 other things, I'm not the close to the only one on here that post links to other teams fan sites...so whatever

oh and...you're a d!ck.

 

[PATRIOT64]

you know, you're right...I was actually just sitting here thinking "why am i reading this crap jets site" the only logical thing i can think of is that I like to get pised off at them, and it makes it much much better when they get crushed.

2 other things, I'm not the close to the only one on here that post links to other teams fan sites...so whatever

oh and...you're a d!ck.

Wow thats original! - How did you come up with that little tidbit?

Oh,BTW - I just went to the Cleveland Browns website fan forum and can you believe the browns fans there actually HATE the Steelers and call Roethlisberger a ***? - What a revelation eh? - Shocking!!!

 

[Koma]

On ESPN radio they said that Herm Edwards as a Jets coach actually waived at the camera when he was being taped..(it was common knowledge of course by even the other coaches)....this is news to me - the waiving part. Can anyone clarify this?

Here's another article (didn't see Hardboiled's post when I was writing this) on the subject that mentions Herm waving to the camera. It also offered, IMO, a good perspective on the situation:

http://www.sportsline.com/print/nfl/story/10683571/2

 

[Sivy]

Wow thats original! - How did you come up with that little tidbit?

Oh,BTW - I just went to the Cleveland Browns website fan forum and can you believe the browns fans there actually HATE the Steelers and call Roethlisberger a ***? - What a revelation eh? - Shocking!!!

I like this site, but its becoming very predictable.

Someone starts a topic, some people agree, some people call the person and idiot, and demand the thread get locked, and other people are just as*holes.

I come here because im a fan of the patriots, I could take or leave most of the people on here, some actually have something to say, well others just like to talk tough because they know everything, and if you dont agree, you suck....Can you guess what kind of person you are?

 

[patsgo]

NFL issues statement on tapes

"this is consistent with what the patriots had admitted they have been doing, consistent with what we already knew"nfl spokeman Greg Aiello told the associated press. loo,ks like this is over a non story

 

[Patriot Missile]

One thing bothers me here. The Patriots turned in 6 tapes to Roger Goodell. Matt Walsh turned in 8. How does Goodell interpret this? Does he see this as a sign of the Pat's not being completely forthcoming? The 6 and 8 tape thing is just what I've read. For all I know the Pat's spoke of more behind closed doors to Goodell.

Goodell is not a complete idiot, he absolutley knows that videotaping was widespread before 2006. He had to act and he did under a lot of scrutiny and pressure. Too much of a fine levied imo. I'd say we are 90% ok at this point but I was just wondering if the 2 games that weren't turned in will mean something like new evidence?

 

[PATRIOT64]

I like this site, but its becoming very predictable.

Someone starts a topic, some people agree, some people call the person and idiot, and demand the thread get locked, and other people are just as*holes.

I come here because im a fan of the patriots, I could take or leave most of the people on here, some actually have something to say, well others just like to talk tough because they know everything, and if you dont agree, you suck....Can you guess what kind of person you are?

NEWSFLASH: This is an internet sports fan forum where guys say anything and everything and no one knows them personally,cares about them or gives a damn for everything else but the Patriots here and related Pats stuff - like it should be.

I could NEVER care what a guy in here thinks about me who is probably a guy about 350 lbs,sitting in his fruit of the loom with a beer in one hand,the mouse in the other and a huge bowl of chocolate covered pretzels next to his keyboard. - Now that is the kind of person I really need to impress and worry about dissapointing

 

[Patriot Missile]

Now that I think about it some more. Does it really even matter? 2000-2002 Who care it's a non issue. It's all consistent so it really doesn't matter.

 

[Wildo7]

One thing bothers me here. The Patriots turned in 6 tapes to Roger Goodell. Matt Walsh turned in 8. How does Goodell interpret this? Does he see this as a sign of the Pat's not being completely forthcoming? The 6 and 8 tape thing is just what I've read. For all I know the Pat's spoke of more behind closed doors to Goodell.

Goodell is not a complete idiot, he absolutley knows that videotaping was widespread before 2006. He had to act and he did under a lot of scrutiny and pressure. Too much of a fine levied imo. I'd say we are 90% ok at this point but I was just wondering if the 2 games that weren't turned in will mean something like new evidence?

Walsh stole the tapes, so the Pats didn't have them to turn over.