the skinny on Seymour's behavior

[spacecrime]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3218501

Very interesting read.

I have to say that Hardwick comes across like a whiny baby. Makes him a perfect Charger, I suppose.

 

[psychoPat]

"He will play to the whistle and beyond, especially when he is challenged," Patriots linebacker Tedy Bruschi said. "When any of us are challenged, we are not going to back down.

"If a guy wants to continually push and push after the whistle, OK, we're going to play the same way. That's the way you should play and we don't really fault people for playing that way. But sometimes it adds a little bit of extra chippiness to the game and we recognize that also as being part of what happens when you are trying to win."


Doncha love rooting for a tough team like that?

Softwick certainly emerges from this episode as a ****y cat.

 

[RayClay]

So silly. There are some real dirty players (now that Mawaes there, the Titans are a filthy all pro squad) but the patriots don't rank high IMO.

Rodney probably deserves some flack in that area, but i think Vince just isn't using his head. If he wanted to hurt people, there'd be a stretcher out there every 5 minutes.

Basically, guys that have to fight two 300+ lb. players all game get a little ornery and you should stay away from them.

Since when has it been OK for linemen to whine like babies anyway? I thought they had some sort of code.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson had just gained 2 yards on the second play of the game when Seymour bumped Chargers guard Kris Dielman with an elbow after the play.

Following the first play of the Chargers' ninth offensive possession, Seymour bumped Dielman again, hard enough for the Pro Bowl guard to complain to the nearest official.

Three plays later, Seymour fell hard on Dielman as the play was ending, perhaps unnecessarily.

Two plays after that, as players were piled up following a red-zone running play, Seymour sent Chargers tackle Marcus McNeill over backward with an unnecessary shove.

Seymour tagged Hardwick with a roundhouse left to the side of the helmet while working against a double-team block

Seymour knocked Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers to the ground with a hip check.

Those were an awful lot of extracurricular activities going on by one player. Hardwick has a point that this game was very cheap by Seymore. I'm just surprised that none of these drew a flag. You just can't head slap, jump on someone, shove someone over a pile, or bump QB's and get away with it. It was a hard fought game but these are a bit much.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

So silly. There are some real dirty players (now that Mawaes there, the Titans are a filthy all pro squad) but the patriots don't rank high IMO.

Rodney probably deserves some flack in that area, but i think Vince just isn't using his head. If he wanted to hurt people, there'd be a stretcher out there every 5 minutes.

Basically, guys that have to fight two 300+ lb. players all game get a little ornery and you should stay away from them.

Since when has it been OK for linemen to whine like babies anyway? I thought they had some sort of code.

IMO it's not whining if he's stating facts. I'm not pissed at Seymour at all, I'm pissed that the refs let him get away with this stuff. If they called it once or warned him then he would have stopped.

 

[DefenseRules]

IMO it's not whining if he's stating facts. I'm not pissed at Seymour at all, I'm pissed that the refs let him get away with this stuff. If they called it once or warned him then he would have stopped.

I think some of Sey's actions stemmed from what happened before the game even started. I don't know how that argument between McNeil and Seymour began. I wasn't at the game, but I'm willing to bet that Seymour's chippiness throughout the game had something to do with the jawing that took place before it. It's not an excuse by any means, it's just an opinion.

 

[TripleOption]

Those were an awful lot of extracurricular activities going on by one player. Hardwick has a point that this game was very cheap by Seymore. I'm just surprised that none of these drew a flag. You just can't head slap, jump on someone, shove someone over a pile, or bump QB's and get away with it. It was a hard fought game but these are a bit much.

Hate to break it to you, but this kind of stuff and then some goes on in every football game from HS through the NFL.

 

[maverick4]

If you guys read the article carefully, Seymour and Bruschi say that they do this because the offensive linemen do it first, and not only do the Pats not back down, but they retaliate.

If the refs called penalties more closely on O-linemen, then I'm pretty sure Seymour wouldn't do it either.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

I think some of Sey's actions stemmed from what happened before the game even started. I don't know how that argument between McNeil and Seymour began. I wasn't at the game, but I'm willing to bet that Seymour's chippiness throughout the game had something to do with the jawing that took place before it. It's not an excuse by any means, it's just an opinion.

I read that the Chargers walked out when the Patriots were getting introduced, a sign of disrespect, but no way at all illegal. They go on by saying that Sey crosses the 50yd line and gets into it with McNeill which is why the oline coach is there to intervene. I'm not going to say this is true but this is what I was reading. It may have been wrong for the Chargers to come out early but the refs have to take control of the moment at that point. This is how the Steelers/Browns fight got out of hand, too much jawwing on opposing sides. This was not in fun and, if this was true, Sey should be warned that if he does it again then he'll be fined. The NFL does not want to have another on the field riot again.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

If you guys read the article carefully, Seymour and Bruschi say that they do this because the offensive linemen do it first, and not only do the Pats not back down, but they retaliate.

If the refs called penalties more closely on O-linemen, then I'm pretty sure Seymour wouldn't do it either.

I agree that a lot of olinemen are dirty but this was a bit much. Olinemen are watched more carefully than DLinemen are due to holding penalties and such, so it gives the opportunity for Sey to fight back and not get flagged. Plus, if you retaliate as an olinemen to Sey then you KNOW it's going to draw a flag because most of you know it's the retaliation that gets penalized, not the person who may have started it. Maybe Dirty should have put an elbow to the Seymour family jewels but we all know that doesn't go on in SD I'm just saying that it would take A LOT for a fellow NFL player to call out an opposing player for dirty play. Hardwick hasn't complained his entire career about anything, so why did he say something about Sey? I just think Sey recognized the lack of flags early and he played that to it's breaking point.

 

[Flatout]

Wow, you've never played football in your life have you. It can be like that in an y game from an AFC championship to a good nice competitive high school game in Ohio or Texas. That's just a way to get into the head of the opponent and, like the article says, its usually employed by offensive linemen (who rarely get called). The pats d-line just pays'em back in the same fashion. Seymour was successful too judging from Harwick's whining afterwards. The guy can apparently dish it out (see his quote before the Titans game "we're dirty too") but can't take it himself.

You think a shove, hip-check, or slap is dirty? That won't really hurt someone. It'll just get them to lose their cool but it certainly won't result in career threatening injury. Dirty is diving at somebody's knees, breaking an arm or twisting a leg in the pile, or taking somebody's head off with an unseen facemask pull. Dirty is the Broncos o-line, Hines Ward, the Titans, or even (as much as it pains me to say it) evil Chargers Rodney (who still ocassionally shows up in place of good NE Rodney).

 

[sanvara]

If you guys read the article carefully, Seymour and Bruschi say that they do this because the offensive linemen do it first, and not only do the Pats not back down, but they retaliate.

Except there were no complaints of dirty play about anyone in this game but Seymour which pretty much kills that theory. Seymour had a chip on his shoulder for whatever reason and took it upon himself to go solo with the dirty antics. It's ok though, there is always pay back in some form down the road.

 

[Nordy]

Except there were no complaints of dirty play about anyone in this game but Seymour which pretty much kills that theory.

Who.F8cking.Cares. The Chargers can keep up with their petty *****ing and the Patriots will just keep winning football games.


Payback? But that would make the Chargers DIRTY! We don't want to be hypocrites now do we? Oh that's right, Hardwick already is a huge hypocrite.

 

[SteveTHEyankee]

This is how the Steelers/Browns fight got out of hand, too much jawwing on opposing sides. This was not in fun and, if this was true, Sey should be warned that if he does it again then he'll be fined. The NFL does not want to have another on the field riot again.

Perhaps the Bolts forgot that NFL games are to win by any legal means necessary. The officials observed what Sey was doing and saying. The hip to Phil was a direct result of what he had just said to Seymour and it was the officials inaction that indicates if he thought it was inappropriate.

I think that the Pat's in general have been in every one's target sights this year for good reason, but to paraphrase Teddy "we ain't gonna take it - we are going to give as good -or better than we get". Starting with the Pats/Philly Superbowl, Richard has been disrespected (Remember Freddy? BYW-where the h..l is Freddy?) Sooner or later they are going to start smartening up.

 

[sanvara]

Who.F8cking.Cares. The Chargers can keep up with their petty *****ing and the Patriots will just keep winning football games.

For now...

Prosperity doesn't last forever and people will have long memories about stuff like this.

 

[Keegs]

Those were an awful lot of extracurricular activities going on by one player. Hardwick has a point that this game was very cheap by Seymore. I'm just surprised that none of these drew a flag. You just can't head slap, jump on someone, shove someone over a pile, or bump QB's and get away with it. It was a hard fought game but these are a bit much.

Ok the roundhouse one is hilarious. it's just funny reading about "roundhouses" like that's supposed to make me understand how bad it was. too funny.

and second...

Seymore definitely isn't a dirty player. I would put money on it that Seymore isn't dirty.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

Wow, you've never played football in your life have you. It can be like that in an y game from an AFC championship to a good nice competitive high school game in Ohio or Texas. That's just a way to get into the head of the opponent and, like the article says, its usually employed by offensive linemen (who rarely get called). The pats d-line just pays'em back in the same fashion. Seymour was successful too judging from Harwick's whining afterwards. The guy can apparently dish it out (see his quote before the Titans game "we're dirty too") but can't take it himself.

You think a shove, hip-check, or slap is dirty? That won't really hurt someone. It'll just get them to lose their cool but it certainly won't result in career threatening injury. Dirty is diving at somebody's knees, breaking an arm or twisting a leg in the pile, or taking somebody's head off with an unseen facemask pull. Dirty is the Broncos o-line, Hines Ward, the Titans, or even (as much as it pains me to say it) evil Chargers Rodney (who still ocassionally shows up in place of good NE Rodney).

I played organized football for 11 years until I was 20 and was forced out due to a pretty bad ankle injury that nags me to this day. I know what it's like to take the cheap shots. I was a ILB/OG all 4 years in HS so I know what goes on in the bottom of the piles. There's some punching, some elbows, and some cleats that go where they probably shouldn't go. There's been players I came across as dirty and they paid the price in the pile but there is that invisible line that crosses from borderline to a dirty player. My Tivo deleted my game due to insufficient space so I wasn't able to rewatch it, and I'm not taking Hardwicks side, but it just depends on how far past that line that player goes. Maybe Hardwick shouldn't have went to the media after the game but if it prevents him from doing it in the SB and causes the NFL to watch a player more closely then it was probably worth it.

 

[dhamz]

Except there were no complaints of dirty play about anyone in this game but Seymour which pretty much kills that theory.

So because no Patriots whined like a little baby after the game that means the Chargers o-line are innocent victims? Yeah right. All that means is Hardwick was the only baby after the game.

The Chargers are a whiny bunch of hypocrites. Shawn Merriman does a dance, it is OK. Someone else does it, LT cries. Hardwick was bragging about the Chargers being a dirty team a few weeks ago and then whining when he gets it back in return.

 

[Dojo Chargerfan]

Ok the roundhouse one is hilarious. it's just funny reading about "roundhouses" like that's supposed to make me understand how bad it was. too funny.

and second...

Seymore definitely isn't a dirty player. I would put money on it that Seymore isn't dirty.

I never thought he was dirty either. it came to a little shock that Hardwick called him out but the ESPN article shows that it was a lot for one player to do in 1 game. I think he's stating that OLinemen have been doing it for years and that the DLinemen are just now fighting back, starting with Sey, but the DLinemen have been doing it also for years. It was a bit much, but I don't think he's a dirty player by any means.

 

[Nordy]

So because no Patriots whined like a little baby after the game that means the Chargers o-line are innocent victims?

Yeah right.

The Patriots were too busy getting ready for this thing called the Super Bowl instead of letting their vaginas leak all over the place.