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I think it's going to be a bit harder to trade A 57 million dollar garbage contract for anything other than more garbage, so you've gaIned nothing.

I disagree with the notion that Tatum is the guy to carry this team. We're going to go back to the days of JT walking it up the court and then pounding the ball for 10 seconds before taking a questionable 3. His 3 point shooting has declined. He's averaging less than 35 percent over the past four seasons.
All depends on the team in question - there will be teams looking to get out of long-term contracts/extensions just the same way the Celtics were

Noting that Tatum or anyone on the team has really publicly welcomed George to the team yet, and noting that the trade isn't final until July 6th, there's the slight possibility that the Celtics could flip George and his expiring contract to a team like the Pelicans for a variety of players and picks

Teams that aren't contending and need to rebuild want picks and are willing to trade long contracts for shorter ones.

 
I think it's going to be a bit harder to trade A 57 million dollar garbage contract for anything other than more garbage, so you've gaIned nothing.
Could be. So the Celts have to wait one more year. Gained nothing? Brown has a 3 year contract with 2 extra years due by October 2026 at $71M each for a total of 5 years versus 2 years. Also there are two 1st round picks. 3 years less of a max contract and two 1st round picks is not nothing. You might not value those benefits, but they are not nothing.
I disagree with the notion that Tatum is the guy to carry this team. We're going to go back to the days of JT walking it up the court and then pounding the ball for 10 seconds before taking a questionable 3. His 3 point shooting has declined. He's averaging less than 35 percent over the past four seasons.
You are upset. It does not seem as there is anything that is positive to you with this trade. You could be right. I am trusting Brad Stevens because so far he has made a lot of correct decisions.
 
All depends on the team in question - there will be teams looking to get out of long-term contracts/extensions just the same way the Celtics were

Noting that Tatum or anyone on the team has really publicly welcomed George to the team yet, and noting that the trade isn't final until July 6th, there's the slight possibility that the Celtics could flip George and his expiring contract to a team like the Pelicans for a variety of players and picks

Teams that aren't contending and need to rebuild want picks and are willing to trade long contracts for shorter ones.

None of those strike me or my eyeballs as damning to either player, and I'm not sure I want all my stock in 3 playoff series as basketball is a streaky game.

Suffice to say, the team took a step back if we're keeping George for a season, though they hope to take 2 steps forward with a shorter contract than JB and the chance to sign a future Max player in resonnance with Tatum's upcoming extension.

No doubt, as crazy as it is, George's contract is tradeable for a non-contending team that needs to dump salary - there could even be another trade in the works that could send George off to another team but I know this is wishful thinking

 
I was having a hard time seeing how this team was going to be championship caliber before the trade. I can see how that might happen now, if the picks fall right, and if the extra money is used well in a couple of years. This feels more like letting some Tatum career time go by though. I always did appreciate that Brown tried to develop some sophistication in his social analysis and be forthright about all that in words and actions. We need more of that from people. Whether I agree with him or not on a particular topic is just detail.
 
I was having a hard time seeing how this team was going to be championship caliber before the trade. I can see how that might happen now, if the picks fall right, and if the extra money is used well in a couple of years. This feels more like letting some Tatum career time go by though. I always did appreciate that Brown tried to develop some sophistication in his social analysis and be forthright about all that in words and actions. We need more of that from people. Whether I agree with him or not on a particular topic is just detail.
I agree. Tatum and Brown were championship quality when they had Horford, Holliday, and White (Porzi was constantly injured). White is the only one left and the Celts keep getting knocked out of the playoffs. It looks like the Knicks have the right structure with these new cap rules. The Celts needed to regroup.
 
I agree. Tatum and Brown were championship quality when they had Horford, Holliday, and White (Porzi was constantly injured). White is the only one left and the Celts keep getting knocked out of the playoffs. It looks like the Knicks have the right structure with these new cap rules. The Celts needed to regroup.
Brunson taking way less money than market also helps
 
Brunson is not a max player - too small for effective defense. Everyone looks at his offense and forgets the total game.
Dude, come on…

His defense isn’t good, but even still how could anyone say that Brunson is currently not a max player? If there were power rankings, he’d probably be the number one player in the world at the moment.

Do you think if you were a free agent tomorrow no team would offer him a max contract?
 
Dude, come on…

His defense isn’t good, but even still how could anyone say that Brunson is currently not a max player? If there were power rankings, he’d probably be the number one player in the world at the moment.

Do you think if you were a free agent tomorrow no team would offer him a max contract?
Payton Pritchard makes $7.5M. Even if the Celts paid Pritchard $20M isn't he worth more if J Brown is going to get $71M? Do you think Pritchard should get $30M and Brunson should get $60M? A week ago did you think a trade for Brown would be two 1sts, one of which is in 2031? PatsFans ALWAYS overvalues players.
 
Payton Pritchard makes $7.5M. Even if the Celts paid Pritchard $20M isn't he worth more if J Brown is going to get $71M? Do you think Pritchard should get $30M and Brunson should get $60M? A week ago did you think a trade for Brown would be two 1sts, one of which is in 2031? PatsFans ALWAYS overvalues players.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Are you drunk? My post was about Brunson. You’re ****ing insane if you think that a guy who just steamrolled the entire NBA en route to a Finals MVP is not a max contract player.
 
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Are you drunk? My post was about Brunson. You’re ****ing insane if you think that a guy who just steamrolled the entire NBA en route to a Finals MVP is not a max contract player.
OK. I am insane. Have a good night.
 
Jaylen Brown's playoff numbers were down because Tatum returned. Isn't that obvious? To be honest, this is exactly why I was hoping that Tatum stayed on the sidelines until next season. His return really messed up that team. Their play was changed back to what it was the year before which took away a ton plays that had Brown's name on it and subbed in Tatum's name.

I didn't realize Pritchard is due an extension this year. Extending him is a tough call. I love the guy on the offensive end of the floor but his defense just isn't there. If they're planning to make him their "Brunson", be prepared for the other team's guards to get their shots.

Just as Brown's play was affected by Tatum's return, White's play was affected by Pritchard's huge increase in minutes. With Pritchard & White at the guard spot, it limited their defense. He had to stick to the other team's bigger guard which limited their ability to switch off easily. When the Celtics had White and Holiday, they could switch off in an instant with no dropoff in defense.

But all of the above is just an "eye test".
 
Could be. So the Celts have to wait one more year. Gained nothing? Brown has a 3 year contract with 2 extra years due by October 2026 at $71M each for a total of 5 years versus 2 years. Also there are two 1st round picks. 3 years less of a max contract and two 1st round picks is not nothing. You might not value those benefits, but they are not nothing.

You are upset. It does not seem as there is anything that is positive to you with this trade. You could be right. I am trusting Brad Stevens because so far he has made a lot of correct decisions.
You're talking about two years of a guy who is going to prove to be useless versus 5 of a guy who plays at an extremely high level.

The picks may be good, they may not be. It's a crapshoot. Some years you can have the third pick and come away with garbage, some years you can hit gold with the 9th pick. But the picks aren't' going to be winning any championships for a few years, best case.

No, there is nothing positive about this which is why the rest of the NBA is laughing.
 
You're talking about two years of a guy who is going to prove to be useless versus 5 of a guy who plays at an extremely high level.

The picks may be good, they may not be. It's a crapshoot. Some years you can have the third pick and come away with garbage, some years you can hit gold with the 9th pick. But the picks aren't' going to be winning any championships for a few years, best case.

No, there is nothing positive about this which is why the rest of the NBA is laughing.
The rest of the NBA did not offer anything better. If they’re laughing, they should be laughing at themselves too for missing such an opportunity.
 
Yeah, so let’s move forward with this and look at it from the perspective of how the Celtics are likely looking at it. This is kind of the Moneyball perspective. This is also the reason why I liked that they traded Marcus Smart a few years ago. Everyone said well, how are we gonna replace him and the answer was give Derrick White playing time since he’s a better player. And they got Holiday too.. even still people thought their guards would be weaker that year because Smart played so many minutes, had the ball in his hand so much, etc. but we see that that’s not always a good thing if said player is not very efficient.

With Jaylen Brown, you’re not losing 29 points per game. You’re losing a guy who typically takes a lot of shots and shoots literally an NBA average true shooting percentage. Theoretically, if you simply gave more shot attempts to other players with the Celtics efficiency above average, you’re actually going to get a higher point output (hence we see why some of these analytics like net rating appear the way they do.)

So what are they actually missing? There will be glass downhill attacking ability and less ability to take advantage of mismatches, perhaps a little less favorable spacing, since Brown was an athletic player capable of high level shot creation. He was good on ball defense as well, especially in high intensity and clutch moments. Those aren’t necessarily easy to replace, but they will get better ball movement, less pecking order, and slow downs on offense, and better team help side and switching defensive schemes.
 
I think it was a little telling that Brad spoke about the trade but PG13 was no where to be found.
I also read that to flip George with other assets (I do believe this includes players, not just draft picks) in another trade the team has to wait 60 days to do so. I'm thinking this has a good chance of happening (for someone like Trey Murphy). Those draft picks we got in return (esp the 2028 one) are more valuable than some care to admit or realize.
I am also convinced (well, 85% convinced) that PG13 is on his way out before training camp starts. And we'll have a shiny new toy, minus all the draft capital we just traded for.

As far as where we are with our salary cap goes, if we go over the first apron, we are screwed next season. We are not going down that road this season, no matter how much some posters cry about it. I don't think we'll even go over the current cap that we are currently over.



Some other cap info to look at...

 
I think that the NBA is self-destructing through their own foolishness. Fans pay to go to games to see their favorite players, not parity. By putting such a ****ty CBA in place, they've all but assured that no team can keep a great team together without serious financial penalties to the owner... and not many owners are willing to pay them.

If this ****ty CBA was in place in the 80's, we wouldn't have had Bird, Parrish & McHale together for those 12 seasons. 12 seasons!! Can you believe that? No way, no how would that happen today.

I was a season ticket holder for 10 years (on the balcony in the old Garden in Section 62, Row F, Seats 9 & 10). I bailed after the 1996/96 season in the new Garden, when Dino Radja and Rick Fox led the team nowhere. I have never regretted this decision as they've never managed to capture the magic of the previous years and with this CBA, likely never will again. It seems like today's NBA owners take their fanbase for granted.
 
Of the four local teams, the Patriots appear to be in the best position to next win a title.

Celtics: reset
Red Sox: lol
Bruins: mediocre

Yeah, the Pats are definitely in the best position. I'd say the Celtics are second best though. Despite all the outrage recently. I think we are in a more than decent position right now. I don't wanna sound ****y but anyone that is upset about the return we got for brown, understandable, fine... Anyone that thinks we are doomed because we traded brown tho.... Sorry, you're just wrong. Sit back and watch.
 
I was having a hard time seeing how this team was going to be championship caliber before the trade. I can see how that might happen now, if the picks fall right, and if the extra money is used well in a couple of years. This feels more like letting some Tatum career time go by though. I always did appreciate that Brown tried to develop some sophistication in his social analysis and be forthright about all that in words and actions. We need more of that from people. Whether I agree with him or not on a particular topic is just detail.

I don't think we'll have to wait half a decade to get the full fruition of the trade and first round draft picks.

It's the cap flexibility that they gained as having two max contract players back to back is difficult if not impossible to sustain.

Paul George fills that other max salary slot for next season but I can see him being traded by the 2027/28 season and at that point they'll have money to spend (as you point out) either on an extension on a traded player or potentially go shopping for someone in free agency if they can trade him without taking on another big contract in return.

It is unfortunate that we have another gap year in Tatum's prime- that's what this past season was too, though they still gave us a great regular season - and who knows, if some of the young players step up and we get more from the Center position during crunch time, they could be just as good - but not a contender until they have their desired 2nd Max player (hopefully a C) with space between that contract and Tatum's.

As much as Stevens bemoaned the Jays potentially counting for 70% of the cap, they may eventually be back up to that but as long as the extensions are staggered, it's workable from a player continuity and luxury tax perspective

I think Stevens was also factoring in the fact that there's a handful of stacked teams right now (including the Sixers now) but they'll have their own cap challenges in a year or two and might have to be dumping salary themselves. The CBA is really set up to create a degree of parity for all teams, navigating a purposefully designed luxury tax that allows teams to overspend for a time, until it just becomes too onerous

So part of Steven staggering our Max players of the present and future, is also meant to stagger the Celtics ability to peak when other teams are on their way down - which makes more sense than mortgaging the future to contend NOW against the Knicks, Heat, Sixers (and that's just the East!)

Add to that, the first round picks we gained, plus the way they use their current picks to stockpile raw young players with HUGE upside - who should also be beginning to peak by the time we're out of this "gap" period, and Stevens actually has us in a position to draft multiple, hopefully high, draft picks who are more likely to be game-ready out of college, and you've got the makings of 2 guys on Max/Supermax deals surrounded by a bunch of FUTURE Max guys but who will be on controlled, relatively cheap, contracts for a half decade themselves (i.e. think Pritchard who has and continues to be underpaid, but that's how the CBA works)

In five years, when we get that Sixers unprotected pick, it could even be a lottery pick, and with the change in how they run the lottery, that could be a HUGE pickup for the Cs if Saint Red Auerbach can works some magic! So that should get us some game ready rookies and stars of the future too if he drafts well. As we've seen, for now, Stevens is drafting for the future - not the upcoming season.

For now he's smart to draft guys like Cenac, who needs G-league time now in the gap year, but in 3-5 years will hopefully have developed into a starter or key bench player at least, as one of many similar picks Stevens is fond of making, finding value in 2nd round picks

Time will tell, but I see what Stevens is trying to do, and it's smart and logical, if not painful to see the team possibly take a step back next year before taking some giant leaps in the future

All of these grand plans can get thrown off by a big injury as we all know, so fingers crossed.

In a weird way, the Celtics needed to get out of the back to back extensions for the Jays no matter what, but Tatum's injury made Steven's previous plans irrelevant - and he was actually smart enough to use that unintended gap year to reboot the salary cap/luxury tax and make it work to his long term advantage.

If it does work, we'll be looking back to what on the surface is going down as one of the worst trades of all time. And in a way, it is, but today's game, unlike the games of the past, are as much a product of cap and salary management as it is on simply putting together a good team and then paying to keep them together.

That's just not allowed by the CBA/Luxury tax structure any more, and while parity is no doubt a goal, Stevens is trying to be smart to see if he can create a financially sustainable dynasty, as well as one that can truly PLAY as a TEAM - and I think the notion that JB might not like no longer being the main option, can't be easily dismissed, as Stevens doesn't want to have a HUGE financial commitment to a guy who is not on the same page as the coach and GM, let alone his teammates.
 

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