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I don't like giving up JB for Giannis.
If Giannis was totally healthy, OK.
But right now it looks like JB will be a more impactful player than Giannis, both for this season and future seasons.
I trust Stevens to make great decisions.
But I wouldnt trade JB straight up for him.
If Bucks wanna add their next 1st round pick,I'd think about it
 
I don't like giving up JB for Giannis.
If Giannis was totally healthy, OK.
But right now it looks like JB will be a more impactful player than Giannis, both for this season and future seasons.
I trust Stevens to make great decisions.
But I wouldnt trade JB straight up for him.
If Bucks wanna add their next 1st round pick,I'd think about it
There’s no way that the Bucks will throw in additional players or picks in this scenario. The Celtics would need to trade Brown as well as a few draft picks and possibly another player or two. Giannis is one of the best players in the NBA when healthy, regardless of his age right now, and he’s arguably a top 20 player in NBA history. Brown is simply not at that level, even though he is younger and still appears to be improving. I’m just telling you how the actual market is for this not necessarily my opinion.

But it kind of is my opinion too. I’ve brought up a lot of times that there are some players where they pass the eye test, they pass the traditional statistical tests where they are top players in categories, like scoring, etc., but some of them do not do well on advanced stats like on-court/off-court, plus-minus or some of the more complicated metrics. Brown is a good example of this. He is hardly alone in the NBA amongst players where you have this kind of split. There are actually quite a few stars that are like this. Another guy would be Trae Young. Tons of points and assists, but for whatever reason, his numbers are always down in advanced stats, and when the Hawks got rid of him, they improved. That’s not to say you’re better off in a do-or-die game without Trae Young. That’s kind of a paradox.

Brown is not bad when it comes to advanced analytics; he’s just not the same elite player that you get with traditional stats and often with the eye test. It could have to do with his off ball defense or other factors. I honestly don’t really know at this point. He has improved and I think he was very good last season and I’m on record saying that I ate some crow given his performance both last season and his finals MVP showing.

All that said, Giannis is a player that checks every box here. The eye test, the traditional stats, and the analytics. There’s really no question marks anywhere that when he’s on the court, he is vastly improving the entire team and is totally dominant regardless of his supporting cast. I personally do not really like Giannis, I think he’s kind of whiny and I don’t like his game just aesthetically as a fan because it’s mostly just put your head down and full charge to the basket, but it is effective.

This is a very long post, but to sum it up, Giannis is in a different class than Brown and that is understood by any team in this bidding, including the Celtics. That’s not to say Brown is not a great player or is not worth his max contract, but Giannis is the type of free agent or trade acquisition that can alter the NBA if if if he is still the same player as he’s been in the past.

Tatum, White and Giannis would have an absolutely insane efficiency rating and are three of the best plus-minus players in the NBA.
 
I don't like giving up JB for Giannis.
If Giannis was totally healthy, OK.
But right now it looks like JB will be a more impactful player than Giannis, both for this season and future seasons.
I trust Stevens to make great decisions.
But I wouldnt trade JB straight up for him.
If Bucks wanna add their next 1st round pick,I'd think about it

There’s no way that the Bucks will throw in additional players or picks in this scenario. The Celtics would need to trade Brown as well as a few draft picks and possibly another player or two. Giannis is one of the best players in the NBA when healthy, regardless of his age right now, and he’s arguably a top 20 player in NBA history. Brown is simply not at that level, even though he is younger and still appears to be improving. I’m just telling you how the actual market is for this not necessarily my opinion.

But it kind of is my opinion too. I’ve brought up a lot of times that there are some players where they pass the eye test, they pass the traditional statistical tests where they are top players in categories, like scoring, etc., but some of them do not do well on advanced stats like on-court/off-court, plus-minus or some of the more complicated metrics. Brown is a good example of this. He is hardly alone in the NBA amongst players where you have this kind of split. There are actually quite a few stars that are like this. Another guy would be Trae Young. Tons of points and assists, but for whatever reason, his numbers are always down in advanced stats, and when the Hawks got rid of him, they improved. That’s not to say you’re better off in a do-or-die game without Trae Young. That’s kind of a paradox.

Brown is not bad when it comes to advanced analytics; he’s just not the same elite player that you get with traditional stats and often with the eye test. It could have to do with his off ball defense or other factors. I honestly don’t really know at this point. He has improved and I think he was very good last season and I’m on record saying that I ate some crow given his performance both last season and his finals MVP showing.

All that said, Giannis is a player that checks every box here. The eye test, the traditional stats, and the analytics. There’s really no question marks anywhere that when he’s on the court, he is vastly improving the entire team and is totally dominant regardless of his supporting cast. I personally do not really like Giannis, I think he’s kind of whiny and I don’t like his game just aesthetically as a fan because it’s mostly just put your head down and full charge to the basket, but it is effective.

This is a very long post, but to sum it up, Giannis is in a different class than Brown and that is understood by any team in this bidding, including the Celtics. That’s not to say Brown is not a great player or is not worth his max contract, but Giannis is the type of free agent or trade acquisition that can alter the NBA if if if he is still the same player as he’s been in the past.

Tatum, White and Giannis would have an absolutely insane efficiency rating and are three of the best plus-minus players in the NBA.
I am not as smart at basketball as JimNance and Ice_Ice, but it is obvious even to me that if Embiid can knock the Celtics out of the playoffs, we need more than a $10 to $20M a year stiff at Center. Giannis or someone, EVEN get Porzi back and don't let him play during the regular season and run him out for the playoffs. Watching more games with Garza and Vucevic is going to make me scratch my eyes out.

As good as Brad is, getting bounced early in the playoffs is on him.
 
There’s no way that the Bucks will throw in additional players or picks in this scenario. The Celtics would need to trade Brown as well as a few draft picks and possibly another player or two. Giannis is one of the best players in the NBA when healthy, regardless of his age right now, and he’s arguably a top 20 player in NBA history. Brown is simply not at that level, even though he is younger and still appears to be improving. I’m just telling you how the actual market is for this not necessarily my opinion.

But it kind of is my opinion too. I’ve brought up a lot of times that there are some players where they pass the eye test, they pass the traditional statistical tests where they are top players in categories, like scoring, etc., but some of them do not do well on advanced stats like on-court/off-court, plus-minus or some of the more complicated metrics. Brown is a good example of this. He is hardly alone in the NBA amongst players where you have this kind of split. There are actually quite a few stars that are like this. Another guy would be Trae Young. Tons of points and assists, but for whatever reason, his numbers are always down in advanced stats, and when the Hawks got rid of him, they improved. That’s not to say you’re better off in a do-or-die game without Trae Young. That’s kind of a paradox.

Brown is not bad when it comes to advanced analytics; he’s just not the same elite player that you get with traditional stats and often with the eye test. It could have to do with his off ball defense or other factors. I honestly don’t really know at this point. He has improved and I think he was very good last season and I’m on record saying that I ate some crow given his performance both last season and his finals MVP showing.

All that said, Giannis is a player that checks every box here. The eye test, the traditional stats, and the analytics. There’s really no question marks anywhere that when he’s on the court, he is vastly improving the entire team and is totally dominant regardless of his supporting cast. I personally do not really like Giannis, I think he’s kind of whiny and I don’t like his game just aesthetically as a fan because it’s mostly just put your head down and full charge to the basket, but it is effective.

This is a very long post, but to sum it up, Giannis is in a different class than Brown and that is understood by any team in this bidding, including the Celtics. That’s not to say Brown is not a great player or is not worth his max contract, but Giannis is the type of free agent or trade acquisition that can alter the NBA if if if he is still the same player as he’s been in the past.

Tatum, White and Giannis would have an absolutely insane efficiency rating and are three of the best plus-minus players in the NBA.
If Giannis was 100% healthy, I agree with you.
Giannis' peak best is certainly much better then Brown's peak best.
But I have concerns about Giannis' health, both short and long term.
We know Brown takes care of his body.
Like I said before, I totally trust Stevens to make the best decision. He's earned that trust.
If he pulls the trigger on a Brown+ deal for Giannis, then I know Giannis satisfies the health issues to the Celtics. That would be great if true, but Im wary.
 
I'm still not a fan of Giannis for Brown. Mostly because he'll turn 32 in December but also because he's only signed for one more year and I would not want the Celtics to extend him too many more years given his health history.

To be honest, the Bucks are trading him at the right time... for them. They got a championship out of him and he still has trade value so they can rebuild. Any team who gets him gets a lot of question marks in the deal - questions about his health, his play & his attitude. His attitude could be the biggest issue in Boston.
 
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I don’t really get why Miami is the first choice for Giannis. Maybe it’s the weather and the hot girls because how is this team going to position him to win another title? They would need to trade Herro as part of the deal along with a bunch of players and picks. Bam is a good player, but hardly the type of guy you orchestrate a trade to play alongside. The amount of rebuild needed in Miami is not that much different from the amount of rebuild needed in Milwaukee.
 
I don’t really get why Miami is the first choice for Giannis. Maybe it’s the weather and the hot girls because how is this team going to position him to win another title? They would need to trade Herro as part of the deal along with a bunch of players and picks. Bam is a good player, but hardly the type of guy you orchestrate a trade to play alongside. The amount of rebuild needed in Miami is not that much different from the amount of rebuild needed in Milwaukee.
Bam and Giannis overlap a bit too. Miami does not seem like a good fit to me either.
 
I don’t really get why Miami is the first choice for Giannis. Maybe it’s the weather and the hot girls because how is this team going to position him to win another title? They would need to trade Herro as part of the deal along with a bunch of players and picks. Bam is a good player, but hardly the type of guy you orchestrate a trade to play alongside. The amount of rebuild needed in Miami is not that much different from the amount of rebuild needed in Milwaukee.
It’s the weather and the hot girls.
 
I don’t really get why Miami is the first choice for Giannis. Maybe it’s the weather and the hot girls because how is this team going to position him to win another title? They would need to trade Herro as part of the deal along with a bunch of players and picks. Bam is a good player, but hardly the type of guy you orchestrate a trade to play alongside. The amount of rebuild needed in Miami is not that much different from the amount of rebuild needed in Milwaukee.
Florida does not have a state income tax. I don't think Texas does either. It's why people and businesses are leaving states like NY, CA, IL and MA for those states and others like NH, TN, NC, SC, that have no or very low income/individual tax. Only certain people are rushing to those other states because a lot of them can live on the tax payers' dime. It is what it is.
 
Now that that ****'s done, it's time for the draft, aka The Brad's Worst Night of the Year... Wonder how he's gonna **** things up this time...

There are about a half-dozen prospects in whom I have interest, and who might be available when the Smeltics pick at 27; Small Forwards & Shorter Need Not Apply... The first two are the most unlikely to last that long; the next two might but wouldn't surprise if they didn't either; and the last three are most likely to be what's left to pick-over:

Houston Stretch-4/5 Chris Cenak

Kentucky Power-4/Center in a pinch Jayden Quaintance

UNC Stretch-4/5 Henri Veesaar

UConn Real Center Tarris Reed

St John's Power-4/Center in a pinch Zuby Ejiofor

UConn Forward Alex Karaban

Cincinnati Stretch-4/5 Baba Miller


I'd be more than satisfied with any of the top 4 in particular.
 
Rumor has it that Brad Stevens is trying to move up in the draft. Quaintance could be the target but that is just speculation on my part. He reminds a lot of Rob Williams. But I have no idea why he missed almost the entire season. If you watch his 2025 tape he got some game.
I also like to trade up for Bennett Stirtz. We need another ball handler as well and he can shoot it. He was double-teamed a lot this season so he can handle a little pressure
 
Rumor has it that Brad Stevens is trying to move up in the draft. Quaintance could be the target but that is just speculation on my part. He reminds a lot of Rob Williams. But I have no idea why he missed almost the entire season. If you watch his 2025 tape he got some game.
I also like to trade up for Bennett Stirtz. We need another ball handler as well and he can shoot it. He was double-teamed a lot this season so he can handle a little pressure
Quaintance had ACL surgery. After sitting out for 9 or 10 months, he had swelling when he tried to return after a few games. Celtics Drs. would have to determine if he returned too quickly or if there is a long term issue. I imagine Quaintance will drop - I can't imagine the Celtics have to move up much to draft him.
 
Quaintance had ACL surgery. After sitting out for 9 or 10 months, he had swelling when he tried to return after a few games. Celtics Drs. would have to determine if he returned too quickly or if there is a long term issue. I imagine Quaintance will drop - I can't imagine the Celtics have to move up much to draft him.

Scary that Quaintance's knee was repaired in March of 2025 and was still causing big problems in January of 2026. I think I'd be OK if they skipped him. That said, if they draft someone decent at #27 in the first (Tarris Reed?), grab Quaintance early in the second round if he's still there. After all, they do have 4 picks in the 2nd round. Trade a couple to move up and take him and still have 2 more picks left.
 
There’s no way that the Bucks will throw in additional players or picks in this scenario. The Celtics would need to trade Brown as well as a few draft picks and possibly another player or two. Giannis is one of the best players in the NBA when healthy, regardless of his age right now, and he’s arguably a top 20 player in NBA history. Brown is simply not at that level, even though he is younger and still appears to be improving. I’m just telling you how the actual market is for this not necessarily my opinion.
I'm hearing what you're hearing - JB straight up for Giannis at the very least and maybe some draft picks - although the thinking is that JB gets flipped to another team like Atlanta that trades the draft picks the rebuilding Bucks wants.

There's a case to be made that we're trading Brown at his peak - he played all season and had a career year showcasing what he can do on a team where he's the main go-to. I think Brown kindof wants that too and he'd be open to playing in his hometown.

But there's a bidding war with Miami which doesn't really have the draft picks to offer so I would think we'd sweeten the pot with a draft pick - part of me doesn't care as we'll be in a mode of re-signing Tatum and Giannis to big contracts and would STILL be looking to pick up a free agent or trade after next season if they keep JB and opt for a lesser offensive player at C next seasln who can defend the basket and score two when we need it. In short, we'll be drafting at the end of the 2nd round and the Cs have done well with their 2nd round pick projects - which is what those picks will be for a few years until they're ready to be on the bench, even our late 1st round picks might not get a chance to start.

They can afford that after next season, but having Giannis means they're simply looking for another scoring wing, which they can possibly get from the current roster or via trade/FA next season. Someone like Giannis doesn't come around often, and while I worry about his health, if healthy, he transforms the Celtics game, which needs to happen to be a contender.

Questions remain among some as to whether Mazulla is up to coaching a very different style. I think he is - the reason why he called the plays he did this season is simply because all he had were perimeter shooters who have a good 3pt percentage. But that's not going to win in the playoffs and ultimately he just needs to let the players play, and take the 28 points a game and rebounds that Giannis brings, replacing JB's production and providing what we need in the middle with a 3 point game to get the lead and a 2 point game to maintain it.

I get the feeling Stevens wants this to happen, and that JB may be permanently PO'd to be hearing trade talk after a career season, carrying the team while Tatum was out. Things may be difficult if this trade doesn't go down but that's in the Bucks hands, not the Celtics.
 
Scary that Quaintance's knee was repaired in March of 2025 and was still causing big problems in January of 2026. I think I'd be OK if they skipped him. That said, if they draft someone decent at #27 in the first (Tarris Reed?), grab Quaintance early in the second round if he's still there. After all, they do have 4 picks in the 2nd round. Trade a couple to move up and take him and still have 2 more picks left.
Quaintance may have shut himself down after not responding well enough to the injury. He knew he’d be coming out in the draft so just didn’t want to take that chance. Or maybe he is fragile right now.

The C’s only have 1 second rounder. They traded a lot of them the last two years.
 
Quaintance may have shut himself down after not responding well enough to the injury. He knew he’d be coming out in the draft so just didn’t want to take that chance. Or maybe he is fragile right now.

The C’s only have 1 second rounder. They traded a lot of them the last two years.

That's what happens when you trust Google AI. AI sucks.
 
That's what happens when you trust Google AI. AI sucks.
AI is usually smarter than that. I guess it depends on what person is running it that day I have the same problem. One day it seems smarter than others

They would have had two second round picks in the top 10 but traded one in the Vucevic deal.
 
Celtics betting odds plummeted it’s been pretty close between them and Miami now it is Miami 60% Celtics like 20%. I’m guessing this has to do with a couple of things. First, it’s reported that Milwaukee is scouting the number 13 pick which they would get from Miami. Second, the reports that the Celtics are peeved that they are being discussed assuming they’re mad because they don’t want to alienate Brown.

Looking at Miami’s package, I think this is just a bad trade for Milwaukee. This would be one of the lowest returns in memory for a player of this caliber. Not even a high draft pick, and a bunch of players along with Herro, who is a good player, but not anything spectacular.

So maybe it is just the best that Milwaukee can do right now but it seems they have totally mistimed the trade market. Their general manager has to be thinking he’s going to get run out of town if Giannis puts up an MVP type season and Milwaukee has basically nothing to show for it. It’s been clear for several years that Giannis wants out if they’re not going to contend, and to trade him at the absolute low point in terms of the return is kind of inexcusable.
 
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